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Thanks

I came to thank you for your nice work merging and improving Indian defence. I see i'm not the first person to note his appreciation. :-) Foobaz·o< 21:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hippo

No problem; thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Category:Soviet chess players

Hi Quale! In my opinion, Category:Chess players by nationality cannot include such categories like Category:Soviet chess players (see my argument against it at WT:CHESS). Soviet is not a nationality! I suggest to put it in another place or into Category:Chess players by nationality as a different subcategory.  :-) Mibelz 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your invitation to WikiProject Chess. I have just jointed as participant. Best wishes, Mibelz 19:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
"Soviet" was a nationality, at the time many famous chessplayers thrived, particularly, most of the World Champions in the 20th century. Pete St.John 21:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Eponymous

It is, to be sure, an exceedingly insignificant issue, but I imagine that I ought to observe that, to the extent I erred in my usage of eponymous, I erred volitionally; I am not, that is, entirely without intellectual capability but, instead, am without sense. Whilst eponymous is most often used to mean self-titled, relating to or being the person after whom something is named, bearing the name of an eponym, or giving one's name to a thing (the former two from wiktionary, the latter two from dictionary.com), I have often employed it to mean of the same name or bearing the same name (as another), irrespective of the other-than-nominal relationship between two entities (such that neither need one Matthew Adler be named for the other nor need both be named after some other person/item for eponymous to be appropriate; it was, I concede, probably unnecessary in the {{otheruses4}}, as the same-namedness was plain). Although I know this usage to be supported by at least one rather obscure guide I have, I recognize that it is not counseled by most (all?) major references, but I continue to employ it generally because, well, I like it (or because, well, I lack sense/sanity). I try quite hard to keep idiosyncrasies out of my writing in mainspace, and I appear to have failed here (assuming that of the same name is rejected as entirely non-standard, which assumption I'm not certain that I'd make). So, yeah, all that drivel aside, I mean to suggest that (a) I know eponymous doesn't mean what I use it to mean or (b) eponymous does mean what I think/use it to mean, even if it's almost never used in the latter fashion. Joe 05:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No content in Category:1885 in chess

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AfD - Lunds ASK

Since you commented on the first AfD you may wish to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lunds ASK (2nd nomination). Please note: I am alerting all editors on both sides of the argument last time per Wikipedia policy. BlueValour 23:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lunds ASK (2nd nomination)

Hi, just letting you know that since a second club was given an article, I've added it to the AFD, and I invite your further comment if you so desire. FrozenPurpleCube 20:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

David Hooper

Sine you created the article on David Hooper, I went through and linked almost all of the references to theOxford Companion. There were a lot of them. Some people don't like redlinks and will unlink them, but it would have saved a couple of hours of work if there had been a redlink to him, and then when the article was created, all of the links work without having to track down and edit each one. I didn't do 4 or 5 of them that were embedded in text. Bubba73 (talk), 21:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki

Hello. Please check and add interwiki to your new articles. Regards pjahr 21:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Removal of {{refimprove}} from Oxford University Chess Club

Hi Quale, I have reverted your removal of the {{refimprove}} tag from Oxford University Chess Club. I've explained my reasons on the talk page and in my edit summary. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 00:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Anna Hahn

Thanks for that. I've always wondered why re-titling pages was such a tortuous process. I don't think the 'Move' function was around when I learnt wiki, but I believe dinosoars still roamed the planet back then.

Of course, whilst it is not so convenient, you can still view the past history if you really want to. Brittle heaven 08:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Chess Championship

Hi Quale, I have just read well done an article Category:Swedish Chess Champion but I found a little problem with it. Please, look at this: "SVERIGEMÄSTARE (...) 1931 Göteborg Gideon Ståhlberg - Gösta Stoltz 3-3 1939 Stockholm Gideon Ståhlberg Ståhlberg erhöll SM-titeln genom att vinna en turnering (landslagsklassen) med följande övriga deltagare: Lundin, Stoltz, Danielsson och Bergkvist. Kongresstävlingar inställda. (Källa: Schackspelet i Sverige, Carlén, 1942)". (p.11/52) http://www.schack.se/RK/ssfparm2003-05-20.pdf All the best, Mibelz 19:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Piatigorsky Cup

Hi Quale. You are off to such a great start on the article Piatigorsky Cup that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- JayHenry 04:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

AfDs

When I saw those three AfDs you listed, I thought they would be by Mister M. The "reason" for deletion is basically the same, and the nominator responds to every vote, as Mr. M does, but it is a different person. Bubba73 (talk), 23:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Quale, for listing the articles on the project page (and for many other contributions). A really good work! --Ioannes Pragensis 19:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

email

Would you email me? You can click on email on my user page. Thank you. Bubba73 (talk), 00:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Image:Bstar 500+.jpg The Chain Barnstar of Recognition
For making a difference! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 3-5 others with 500+ edits but no barnstar. So that everyone who deserves one will get one. Barnstar created by Pseudoanonymous, awarded by Bubba73 (talk), 00:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Ruy Lopez

You're right of course about the Berlin being drawish, at least at the top level, but your counterexample happens to be unfortunate; the Zaitsev has a 41% draw percentage on NICBase compared to 37% for the Berlin ;-) youngvalter 01:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I was just as surprised as you are, although I looked it up in the first place because I had a suspicion the Berlin couldn't be as drawish as Kramnik used to make it look. I tend to avoid saying things like "it's hard to generate winning chances in this line" unless it's backed up well by statistics or expert opinion. Part of it is that Wikipedia shouldn't be telling people what their winning chances are; part of it is that from my own experience in the French Exchange and even the Slav Exchange that even if conventional wisdom says it's drawish, it's easy enough to create winning chances if you're in the mood. Cheers, youngvalter 01:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

How about if we mention that is informally called Spanish Torture?68.62.132.235 17:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll let you make the change when you get the chance, you seem to know a lot more about the opening than do, I don't get to play it much. When I open with 1. e4, black usally responds with the Sicilian, which is also my response to 1. e4 when I have the black pieces.68.62.132.235 19:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

List of chess terms

Hi Quale, would like your opinion on this, since you are the main contributor (well done btw). What do you think about nominating the List of chess terms for Wikipedia:Featured_lists? Do you think it is ready for it, or do you think it still needs quite a bit of work? Possible work (apart from adding more terms) could include

  • A few images to lighten up things?
  • Consistency of wikilinks in the definition: should they link to the relevant article (if present) or always to the definition in the article itself (like [[Chess openings]] or [[#O|Chess openings]]

best wishes, Voorlandt 11:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Chess participants

Hello Quale, and many thanks for all the wonderful work you have done on chess articles in the past years. As you are a senior member of the WikiProject Chess, you may want to know that a Category:WikiProject Chess participants has been created to track more easily its members. If you wish, you can be listed in this Category by adding the {{Wikiproject/Chess/Userbox}} to your User page, or simply by adding [[Category:WikiProject Chess participants]]. Of course this is absolutely not necessary nor important. Anyway, thanks again for all you do! SyG 10:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Emil

No problem. Is the the Schallopp defence always a disaster? I played it for the first time yesterday and it did not go well....!Andycjp 03:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC) Ok, sorry to trouble you. I hang out at chessmaniacs.com if you would like a game sometime.Andycjp 08:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC) Well I lose mostly so I am no expert...Andycjp 09:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Tal

My pleasure. I was rather surprised by the lack of citations in the article. I think I'll pore over my chess books and see if I can't improve the article a bit more. It's the least I can do for my favorite player. :) faithless (speak) 20:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

John Charles Thompson

With respect to the article about the significant contributions of chess master and Texas Chess Association founder, JC Thompson, said article is not by any means a violation of any copyright. The website uschess.org has reprinted the article with the author's consent, as is indicated by giving the author/submitter due credit, but is not the holder of any copyright on the material. Please be advised the entire article submitted to Wikipedia is reprinted with the author's express permission. Perhaps it isn't annotated correctly and I will investigate and implement the proper way to do so but, in the meantime, please undo your unwelcome meddling and delete the copyright violation allegation. Allenthompson 02:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I have not relied on US Chess' permission to reprint a portion of the article as justification for reprinting in Wikipedia. I have the author's express permission to post his original work. I understand the need for proper documentation and I understand that I have not properly documented the article. Obviously, you are compelled to demand perfection no matter the cost. As for whether the article meets the WP:BIO requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia, I can only suggest that JC Thompson's lifetime accomplishments are still legend in Texas chess, which is no mean feat. You are quite obviously more familiar with the Wikipedia guidelines and I won't joust with you. You didn't contact me about the lack of reference until after your unwelcome meddling so please remove your damage so that the article can be repaired. Allenthompson 03:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Importance of articles on individual chess pieces

Hello Quale! I have seen that you have reverted my assessments of importance on individual pieces, for example in King (chess). Please allow me to explain why I would tend to think that these articles belong more to the "High" category than to the "Top" category.

The importance assessment is primarily used for the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria. They say "Top" importance shall be given to "Subject that is a must-have for a good encyclopedia". Although the Rules of chess are clearly in this category, I would think a good encyclopedia does not necessarily need an article on each chess piece, because the article on "Rules on chess" already explains how each chess piece move. So in my sense, for a general-purpose encyclopedia, "Rules on chess" is a must-have, but King (chess) is not.

I would be happy to have your opinion and discuss this subject with you, you can answer directly here if you wish and I will watch this page. Happy editing! SyG 16:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Gyozo Forintos

Yes - well spotted. I must have copied someone else's reference text many moons ago, assuming it was the same ed. as mine and have used it ever since. Since my copy of the OCTC is the 1984 version and there could indeed be differences between the two, including the odd omission, I have now altered most of my entries accordingly. I won't bother with Botvinnik or Bronstein, as the body text has changed significantly and no doubt reflects any more up to date information that might be found in the 1996 version. Brittle heaven 09:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Anne Sunnucks

Similarly, with the Sunnucks EOC, I've just noticed that mine is 1970, but published by Robert Hale & Co., in the UK. As her autobiographical entry is on pg. 447 in each, chances are they are identical.

However, as it is a book noted for its errors, there is a possibility that these were at least partly addressed in whichever is the slightly later version. Just out of curiosity, does yours give her 3rd British Champ victory correctly as 1964 both in the front-end list of Contributors and on pg 447, or does the former give it incorrectly as 1965? Brittle heaven 16:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the info. I've now read up a little on the 1976 Ed. It apparently contains additional images/illustrations and an expanded tournament results section (- the 1st Ed. stopped at 1968, whereas the 2nd Ed. has results up to 1972). Probably, the publisher saw the opportunity to cash in on the post Fischer-Spassky chess popularity boom, but only if they updated it to include Fischer-Spassky! You are absolutely right to use the EOC with caution ... when writing the article on the Hungarian Ch. I compared the EOC entry with Whyld's Guinness Chess Records and there were many discrepencies, so I based the article on Whyld's version. I did read somewhere that Golombek's EOC is also reliable, but havn't yet managed to obtain a copy. Brittle heaven 21:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Winter's incredibly exacting standards more or less ensure a negative view of everything other than Gaige's work, which he can't praise highly enough. He is usually very scathing about anything put out by mass-market writers, like Keene and Schiller and as you say, has no time for Divinsky's Chess Encyclopaedia, which he contends is hugely copied from Golombek and fails to respect facts long since established by Gaige. Unfortunately, there aren't too many good texts around to choose from. Maybe one day, Wikipedia will be the oracle on chess history, although I suspect there is some serious work to do before that happens - and a whole lot more before Winter agrees, that's for sure! Brittle heaven 10:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yugoslav Chess Championship

OK, I guess I finally realised how to contact you! Sorry for delay, I am quite new here and need time to find out all posibilities. At first, thank you for your support and messages. It means lot for me. About subject, after WW War national federation start to counting championships from the beggining (first in 1945). So, those five before, are something like unofficial. This is why the numbers are different - 54 and 59. I think about idea to put some notes and change numbers in the table( From 1-5, than 1-55 or more and finally in recent years counting starts again from the begining). Other option should be to leave it because in general continuity remains. May I know your opinion. Best regards. Ikaria 21:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikaria (talk • contribs) 21:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

From voorlandt

  • Hi!, I replied to your question on my talk page. Btw, you might have noticed the list of reference works on my user page, hope you don't mind I nicked most of them from your page. I plan to buy them some of them, when I have a bit of money to spare, and that list is a wishlist :) Voorlandt 19:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your advise on the reference books! I'll definitely keep it in mind if/when I do buy one of them. Btw, do you own one of the User:Voorlandt#Chess_Results books? I just had a go at one of the national championship lists (Lithuanian_Chess_Championship), and one of these books might just have the missing info on the early years. Voorlandt 21:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Romanian Chess Championship. Sorry about that, I realised it too late. You are right that the championship was held in different places sometimes. As a quick fix, I changed the header. I will convert them back to two tables if I have a bit of time. Voorlandt 15:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for cleaning up and improving the Hastings International Chess Congress article! I simply did not had time that day to improve on it. I am glad we have this article now. Also nice discovery of the article Chess at the 2005 Southeast Asian Games! As you know I periodically use WP:AWB to update the list of chess topics. But if there is no chess category nor chess template on the talk page, there is really no way of systematically finding these lost chess articles (other than stumbling upon them). Another thing, I am working on an article similar to Football around the world for chess. I am basically making this article off-line (about half-way through now 45/90) as an improvement on List of national chess championships. Do you think it is worth the trouble? I am getting a bit bored with it; but if you think this is useful then I can create the article with what I have. Here is are the first few lines:
Country National Federation Official Website FIDE #GM #Players National Championship
Flag of Albania Albania Federata Shqiptare e Shahut - yes 1 45 Albanian Chess Championship
Flag of Argentina Argentina Fed. Argentina de Ajedrez http://www.ajedrez.com.ar yes 12 1265 Argentine Chess Championship
Flag of Armenia Armenia Armenian Chess Federation http://www.chessfed.am yes 20 255 Armenian Chess Championship

Voorlandt (talk) 16:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Chess Championship

Hi! I see your good work in various places, among others at List of national chess championships. Do you intend to create Lithuanian Chess Championship? Perhaps a reference [1] (since 1943) would be useful for it. I have also found an information about early Lithuanian champions (Vladas Mikenas - 1936, Povilas Vaitonis - 1934, 1937, 1938, 1942, and 1944, Isakas Vistaneckis - 1935, 1941). Best wishes, Mibelz 20:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your start on Lithuanian Chess Championship. I will try to expand it. Now, I am creating a new category - Baltic Chess Championship, and I am going to expand the category Belarusian Chess Championship. Mibelz 14:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

editing chess articles for "spelling consistency"

Hi... I'm aiming for consistency within articles, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. Whichever spelling variant occurs less frequently in the article I'll replace with the more common one. When the numbers are roughly even, I'll alternate. Sorry about the redundant piped links: I created a number of redirects to avoid leaving redlinks, but neglected to consider that redundant piped links would probably also result. Cheers --Rrburke(talk) 16:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I also didn't realize I'd created some double-redirects. I'll go through and make the appropriate changes. --Rrburke(talk) 16:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Italian Game etc

Thanks for your comments; I’m never sure where to hold these conversations , so I’ve replied here, on my talk page. Moonraker12 16:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

National Chess Championships

Hi!, I found a link which lists many national chess championships: [2]. For instance, has the winners of the Bulgarian Chess Championship we are missing. It also lists national chess championships which we don't have yet. Voorlandt 14:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

City Chess Championships

Hi! I have found Denker Tournament of High School Champions in National Chess Championships, so Moscow City Chess Championship, Leningrad City Chess Championship, etc., could be in the same place. From the other hand, there is no category for such championships. It is a quastion, where to put them into the specification.

Second issue - In the Category National Chess Championships there are three different schemes for Women's Chess Championship: 1. A separate category (Dutch Women's Chess Championship, Spanish Women's Chess Championship and U.S. Women's Chess Championship; 2. A separate place in the same category (Australian Chess Championship, Canadian Chess Championship, Romanian Chess Championship, etc.); 3. The same table in the same category (Belgian Chess Championship, Estonian Chess Championship, Polish Chess Championship, etc.). I think, we ought to create only one scheme. Best wishes, Mibelz 19:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and comments

Hi!

  • Sorry I haven't replied to your comment. Thanks for your support! I have changed the order in World Youth Chess Championship as you suggested.
  • On another topic: the list of national championships is getting nice and large:) What do you think of creating a category regional chess championships? That is a category with championships where only participants are allowed from a certain city (eg Leningrad), regio (eg Nordic, Moscow) or continent (Europe, Africa, Asia).
  • The list of national championships we could rename to something that covers all regional championships and divide it in 4 subsections (city, regional, country, continent).
  • Thanks for sorting the Georgian championship btw, didn't know about this (and it does make much more sense)! Voorlandt 21:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. Interesting comments on the championships, I fully agree. The situation will become more clear in any case as we get more tournaments. A related area that needs work is our list of strong chess tournaments. I think the German wikipedia articles are very nice: de:Liste der bedeutendsten Schachturniere
Yes I do use an external editor for repetitive tasks. Like using a spreadsheet program to get a table of winners in wikipedia format. Today I tried the special sort template on the Georgian women's champions. Wasn't too hard to get excel fill in the template automatically from the full name). I haven't tried the firefox extensions. Other than that, currently I have too much time on my hands, will not last though. Voorlandt 21:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Wups

Thanks for catching that mistake on Chess. I really should get more caffeine down me before editing ;-) Nigholith 05:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

US championships

Hi, you probably have this info, but I thought I share anyway. They 2006US yearbook, 8 pages of past winners of US championships in chess. Not sure which ones are notable enough to have an article. Regards, Voorlandt 22:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Categories by Erdos numbers

User:Mikkalai/By Erdos contains a very raw list made from remnants of categories and the log of the bot which implemented the deletion you opposed. Please join the discusion here to decide how to proceded. A clandestinely proud Erdos-Number-3-wikipedian `'Míkka 16:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the Erdos Number categories

Recently, as you know, the categories related to Erdos Number were deleted. There are discussions and debates across several article talk pages (e.g. the Mathematics WikiProject Talk page. I've formally requested a deletion review towards overturning the deletion, at this deletion review log item. Pete St.John 21:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Fischer Article

The Bobby Fischer article section now contains 3 separate confirmed sources. Your constant dismissal of obvious fact as "rumors" will now be reported if you revert again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChessHistorian (talk • contribs) 08:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


Fischer Article

I direct you to download this file, which is the audio from an online Interview that was on the chess.fm radio broadcast in October 1996:

http://www.GothicChess.com/radio.wma.zip

Decompress the file, and listen to it with Windows Media Player, or some other audio player that supports the stream format. The fact that you can download this file from a website owned by Ed Trice has no bearing on its true source, namely, the ICC chess.fm internet radio channel. They only archive their broadcasts for one calendar year, and Trice requested a copy of it in exchange for being on the program. Clearly that is the voice of Dan Heisman, who does the broadcast. His ICC handle is "PhillyTutor" and he can confirm that Trice was on the show to discuss the sourced material that is being cited here.

There is no way this was a "rumor" if so many people were involved.

Next, take a look at this YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54I8wqm2NeE

Note that it is from a company that supplies interviews with individuals from a variety of backgrounds. There is no link between Ed Trice, Gothic Chess, and the news agency that performed this interview. Their YouTube account is:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheInterviewpoint

It is clear that this is 3rd party sourced material.

Also, take a look at the interview itself. Karpov's signature on the contract to play Fischer is right there. No rumor. Properly sourced.

This material belongs.

Clearly Trice was in Iceland, if you looked at the images that are linked from the blog:

http://www.gothicchess.com/images/iceland/alexis_ed_streetsign.jpg

And here is Grandmaster Fridrik Olafsson, longtime friend of Fischer's examining the new Gothic Chess pieces:

http://www.gothicchess.com/images/iceland/Fridrik_pieces.jpg

The plastic pieces are from the set Ed Trice sells online, the wooden pieces are designed by the House of Staunton:

http://www.houseofstaunton.com/gothicchess.html

Frank Camaratta, owner of the HouseOfStaunton.com, was on the Iceland trip to showcase his wooden pieces for Fischer's approval. Here is a photo showing Olafsson, Alexis Skye, Frank Camaratta, and Ed Trice all together in Iceland in a meeeting:

http://www.gothicchess.com/images/iceland/news_meeting.jpg

His phone number is listed on his website as (256) 858-8070 and their email address is sales@houseofstaunton.com

You can contact them to confirm that Frank was there, and the purpose was for Fischer to approve his Gothic Chess set for use in the match with Karpov.

There is plenty of 3rd party sourced material that supports the fact that the match was well underway, and Fischer was just being Fischer and backed out. This was not a rumor. This is fact. And Wikipedia was founded on the premise that factual, sourced material can be included in articles. ChessHistorian 18:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

North Sea Cup

Thanks for cleaning up the article. There has been significant improvement on national chess championships, so I thought to create a page on an open tournament. Would be great to have a good coverage of the most important open tournaments and team competitions as well. (I think now we even have enough articles to make a subcategory "open" and "team"). From tomorrow on I am starting a new job, which will be quite demanding. So do try to stop me if you see me editing too much :) Voorlandt 22:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Alexandru Tyroler

He was born and died as Sándor Tyroler, but in Roumania he had to use Alexandru instead of Sándor, but didn't roumanized as I know. I don't speak german sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyroler (talk • contribs) 19:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Origins of Chess

Would you take a look here? My first FA nom (Trade routes) is already exhausting me and I still have things like a brief mention of FIDE, checking grammar and a short mention of the chess/AI connection pending, delayed for some time now. Now I have to argue with someone whose contribs look like this.
Havelock the Dane Talk 08:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Lone Pine International and Roman Dzindzichashvili

Hello. Yes, you are right. I checked it: at FRL January 1980 Roman represented Israel but at FRL January 1981 - United States. Lone Pine International 1980 was held on March 16–26, so then he played for Israel. Thanks for attention :) pjahr 20:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 13 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hastings International Chess Congress, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 02:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

William Watson

That's fair comment. I'm always very reluctant to attach individual refs - they often take more time than seems worthwhile and I don't want to lose my enthusiasm for editing. However, I suppose one could conceivably construe Spassky's remark as hurtful or whatever, so it was better to follow policy in this instance. Thanks for the reminder.

I think in future I might refrain from putting this kind of 'fact' into wiki articles, despite the entertainment value. For one thing, the original remarks are always prone to storytelling embellishment (not unlike the Steinitz/Zukertort toast claim), they are frequently a bit 'tabloid' in content and don't usually add any real 'encyclopedic' knowledge. I'll certainly ask myself the question before including them in future.

Good work on Hastings Congress btw. The 'UK' designation is fine of course, but if you wanted to be consistent with the other entries, I can confirm that Frank Parr was English (sadly now deceased). Merry Xmas. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

PS - just noticed Yates and Penrose too. Both English. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frank Parr

Hi. I've nominated Frank Parr, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created.2Fexpanded on December 18, where you can improve it if you see fit. Black Falcon (Talk) 06:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing the experience. In actual fact I was sidetracked by Parr's wonderful game while chasing down another golden nugget of folklore trivia. I had convinced myself that it was he who once played 2 world champions (Alekhine/Menchik) in one day at Plymouth Congress 1938, but it turned out it was Ron Bruce. Sadly, my memory isn't what it used to be! Brittle heaven (talk) 21:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK - Frank Parr

Updated DYK query On 24 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank Parr, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

~ Riana ⁂ 10:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

i added an image and created an article on Nikola Bochev Padevsky to help out with your Bulgarian Chess thing. You may want to tag it or add categories etc. Have a nice christmas! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice work. I also started Zdravko Milev although I believe he never obtained a grandmaster status but a worthy bio seems as he won the national championship several times. Ever thought about creating a series of articles on national chess championships like Bulgaria (if they don't exist already) and drawing up a template to connect them? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 21:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow that's more coverage than I would have thought. I'll be happy to draw up a template in a few days -I don't think it will be too bloated the template and it is there for quick navigation I think. If it is too big I can set it at a collapsed default anyway. The next stage then I feel is the research each one and write them into articles rather than just a list of champions. Then of course it would be great to rid of all the red links and get some biographies filled out on lesser known players. Hopefully interest in it will pick up. Although a keen chess player myself, admittedly I'm not really into the technicalities of chess theory etc but I'll be willing to help out with some things occasionally. Kind regards and seasons greetings! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 21:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

May this season bring you success, good times and happiness. Looking forward to working with you in the future.
Hαvεlok беседа мансарда 07:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Russia (USSR) vs Rest of the World

Quale - firstly, Best Wishes for Christmas and a rapidly approaching New Year. Hopefully, we can all enjoy some live (online) coverage of the Hastings Congress, which I believe starts tomorrow. Reference the above, I appreciate your comments as ever, and in many ways I agree with your last edit. However, if you examine my talk page you will see that I have upset an anonymous user, who rightly points out that the USSR didn't exist until 1922 and so, Alekhine (champ 1927-46, aside from the Euwe interlude) was not technically a product of the USSR, but of the post-revolution Russian Empire. All this seems pedantic I know, as this is not a piece on Russian history, but as far as I can see, he is correct and hence the change. I responded on his talk page, to say that I didn't agree with the extent of his original edit and thought that my minor change addressed all issues. Of course, I will leave it to you to decide whether you want to revert, but thought it best to warn you that you may have inadvertantly entered the dispute! Anyone for World Peace in 2008? Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 09:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Chess (main article)

I've copied my correspondence with Ioannes Pragensis to item "Revisions needed" in Talk:Chess and suggest we continue there. Philcha (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


DYK - 1851 London Chess tournament

Updated DYK query On 8 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article London 1851 chess tournament, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Strong tournaments

I have made Mar del Plata chess tournaments; which was on your todo list. If you want; have a look at its talk page since they are some problems with the winners. In trying to find info on the other tournaments I came across this page; which has good info on a lot of strong tournaments. For instance the Capablanca Memorial: [3]. Voorlandt (talk) 10:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Dake

Hi ! I have found an information on Dake's Jewish roots in an article "Chess and Jews" written by Edward Winter (see: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html). Happy New Year ! Mibelz 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

64

"Hooper&Whyld (1992) say bimonthly ... " Where is it in Oxford - I can't find it. It is listed under "Sixty-four" by Golombek. Bubba73 (talk), 15:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Love and Sex with Robots Review

RE: David Levy (chess player)

Hi, welcome to wikipedia. In general we don't link to amazon reviews. See WP:EL for Wikipedia guidelines concerning external links. Quale (talk) 23:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Quale

The review I posted is NOT an amazon review. Instead it was published on the online journal flakmag.com here. Okay?

jatrimar (talk)25 January 2008

YYYY in chess

These articles are coming along extremely well - and so detailed - it is difficult to imagine a set of articles anywhere on Wikipedia with more facts per 100 words! Full admiration for the hard work you're putting in here and in my opinion, this subject area will merit a very positive (introductory article) link from the front chess page, if its re-design ever achieves a consensus.

I wondered what your thoughts were for progressing 'YYYY in chess' beyond the (1998) beginning of TWIC? As a rough estimate, I imagine only 20-30% of this content being available (mostly from mags) for the remaining nineties entries, with further reductions beyond that ( - magazines carried fewer and less detailed international news items pre-internet, in my experience). It seems logical that the volume of information would decrease with time anyway.

Also, are you happy to stay with the project yourself, or would you like some assistance at some point - I'd be willng to help out where I can, although my magazine collection is a bit sketchy pre-1991 - also my rate of progress would be a great deal slower than yours!

I also wondered if you had considered adding the odd photo - like in List of chess terms. There are a few tournament venues and many player pics in wikimedia that could be used sparingly, perhaps also the occasional olympiad logo that could be 'borrowed' from Olimpbase. Another possibility would be key positions from outstanding games, for example a chess diagram with caption reading "In Van Wely - Morozevich, Linares 2007, white concluded his attack with 47.Qxh7 Nxh7 ...

Lots of options, but I'd be pleased to hear your own ideas. In the meanwhile, keep up the good work. Brittle heaven (talk) 11:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Alvis Vītoliņš

Hi ! I took the information from http://chessgames.com. Actually, Alvis Vītoliņš (Vitolinsh, Witolinsz) was born in Sigulda and was awarded the IM title in 1980 (see http://www.republika.lv/?id=article&nid=358 Alvis Vītoliņš dzimis 1946. gada 15. jūnijā Siguldā. (…) 1980. gadā Vītoliņš ieguva starptautiskā meistara titulu. (…) http://2500.blogcu.com/2320667/ Alvis Vitolinsh , letonyalı IM ( Uluslararsı Usta) 1946 yılında Sigulda' (…) and "Polish Chess Encyclopedia" (A. Witolinsz – IM in 1980). Best wishes, Mibelz 19:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

William Fairhurst

Thanks for that. It was certainly a triumph for Golombek and Sunnucks over Hooper & Whyld, who didn't include him at all (at least in my 1984 Ed.). Brittle heaven (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

8th Chess Olympiad

Hi ! I have just updated the 8th Chess Olympiad. Mibelz (talk) 19:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

1999 in chess

Hi there, I've drafted up a typical (pre-TWIC prototype) YYYY in chess, using 1999 as an example. This should be at User:Brittle heaven/Sandbox. As you will see, the tedium level is substantially reduced by not specifying dates (these are in many cases just one click away via the appropriate blue link, or in some cases by following up a reference at the bottom of the page). Again, with ease/speed in mind, the news items have been limited to the more major events and are ordered, more or less, by ascending importance, rather than chronologically - this follows the format in the Burgess book (and is slightly subjective, but wouldn't upset anyone, hopefully). I think there is some logic here; the majority of browsing readers (wiki-editors aside) are probably not bothered by exact dates anyway, and if you just want the big news, you start at the top and work your way down just as far as pleases. Some items may not have dates anyway - e.g. world press dissatisfaction with the World Championship cycle could be a news event that lasts all year. Probably the top 10 item at the top should be tabulated, but there are a lot of editors out there who are better at that than me. Using this method, I could probably turn these over fairly quickly, time permitting - I havn't yet managed to get your births/deaths search tool to work - but that would help considerably. Fortunately, there appears to be quite a good overlap between the Burgess and Bill Wall entries, so they cross-check each other quite well, or in some cases prompt you to seek a third party source, just to be sure. Sadly, the format still doesn't contain any wow factor, but it's probably just a good idea to make a start and the various embellishments that we previously discussed can be added along the way. Any thoughts? Brittle heaven (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC).

Thanks. I share your concern for bypassing those interesting items that won't get picked up elsewhere (like the ice sculpture event). I still intend to review my old magazines and bolster the content in the future; even now, there should be a few unique entries along the way, for instance the Advanced Chess match between Anand and Karpov, which I don't think appears anywhere else on wikipedia. If editors feel that events need dates, then this isn't precluded either - most likely a bracketed date after the entry would fit the format OK. I have a slight concern that the news will continue to have a heavy U. S. / U. K. bias. Both Wall and Burgess lean this way, but hopefully our multi-national editorial input will help correct this. Another problem will be remembering to retrospectively insert blue links as more and more articles are created that fit these news items. I can't wait to see '1922 in chess' myself, although it may be a long time coming and the 1922 world top 10 with ELO ratings may be a little difficult to arrange! Brittle heaven (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Some first names

Hi, I finally found the remaining winners from the Belgian Chess Championship. A couple of first names are missing. I was wondering, could you have a look for me if you can find any?

  • E. E. Middleton (m) ([4]) or ([5])
  • F-H. Königs / Koenigs (m)
  • J. Kornreich (m)
  • Y. Ebrahimi (m)
  • Spoormans (f)
  •  ?E? Lancel (f); not sure about E

Thanks a lot! Voorlandt (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Just found M. Stoffels (f), on the 8th Chess Olympiad! What a coincidence. I dropped Mibelz a note as I suspect he has a good source. Voorlandt (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I only found two of them in Gaige:

  • Edmond Emile Lancel (3 July 1888, Bruxelles – 15 April 1959, Bruxelles) - not sure about E? He has two!
  • F-H. Königs (1849, Anvers, BLG) - but not very helpful since no full name or date of death

But now I see that you indicate that Lancel is female, so I guess I'm not any help at all. Quale (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:LCCN permalinks.

Re [6], done - thanks for suggesting this improvement. Please test a few of your implementations of the template to make sure the new version works. -- Jeandré, 2008-02-17t10:37z

Szczawno Zdrój

Hi! Paul Keres won at Szczawno Zdrój 1950 (see, http://polbase.w.interia.pl/szczawno50.htm). Szczawno Zdrój (German name Bad Salzbrunn) is a spa town in the Sudetes Mountains in Silesia , since 1945 in Poland. English pronunciation is Shchavno Zdroy, although Polish pronunciation is Shchavno Zdruy (u like put). In Polish letter ó is u, more or less like oo in English book. Polish letter j is like German j and English y. -- Mibelz (talk) 11:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

1997 in chess

Thanks. That's a good suggestion - I keep changing the titles and needed to regularise them anyway. Unbelievably, this 'simplified format' is still quite hard work, so I can only imagine how mind-numbing the 'comprehensively filled' 2000s entries are to do. The births/deaths tool is excellent, so thanks for that tip - I eventually found it in working order. Eugene Shapiro was another 1997 deaths nominee (Bill Wall), but unlike Spiro and Shainswit, I couldn't really establish any notability (despite his being the name that sounded most familiar to me!?). Do you know of these persons and their merits for inclusion? - and btw, do feel free to make any other changes you see fit. I'm still concerned about the UK/USA emphasis and can only hope people in other countries will add their own national stories in due course. In the longer term, I'm hopeful that an occasional photo/logo and chess diagram will make these pages considerably more readable. Brittle heaven (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:MOS

Where in this document is the over ride for biography's? ChessCreator (talk) 18:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Genrikh Gasparyan

Hi - I just wondered what your thoughts were on this name. I have all my life known of him as Kasparyan. Sunnucks, Hooper & Whyld and Golombek all give Genrikh (or Henrikh) Kasparyan (or Kasparian). Even Googling his name, provided you keep it fairly tight (I used "Genrikh Gasparyan" versus "Genrikh Kasparyan" - the inverted commas are probably important), gives a favourable result for Kasparyan. Am I missing anything, or do you agree that a move would be justified? Brittle heaven (talk) 11:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Chess tournaments

Hi! Would you be so kind to add some text into the Capablanca Memorial ? By the way, I plan to create three unofficial Chess Olympiads (1924, 1926, and 1936) tonight or tomorrow. Regards, Mibelz 19:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the text to Capablanca Memorial. It was some problem with the winners because of different errors in sources. Finally, I did it (see my discussion with Voorlandt (talk), yesterday). Mibelz 10:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:My 60 Memorable Games

Thanks for your comments. If you could add that Fischer anecdote, that would be great. I think the article could still do with a bit more on the content of the book eg. Fischer's descriptions of his opponents reactions to his moves, other grandmasters watching his games etc, as that's what makes the book come alive for me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 09:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

J.B. Lindberg

Hi! I am not sure that Lindberg's first name is John. He was a Swede, so his first name was rather Jan or Johannes, than John (English name). We ought to find a Swedish source. Best wishes, Mibelz 22:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Finally, I have found an information on J.B. Lindberg in Swedish. See below: Sthig Jonasson, Göteborg 1935. Den 22-26 juli arrangerades i Göteborg en turnering om OS-lagets fjärde plats. De självklara Ståhlberg, Stoltz och Lundin behövde en stabil fjärdeman för att garantera en topplacering. Turneringen vanns av den unge Gösta Danielsson före Ernst Larsson och exsverigemästaren Allan Nilsson, båda Göteborg, och lundensaren John B. Lindberg. 31 sid., illustrerad. Pris 100:-.http://www.jora.info/forlag/schack.html. Mibelz 9:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Yugoslav chess players

Category:Yugoslav chess players, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

YYYY in chess

Very neat that navigation template you added. I was just wondering where we were going to get one of those from! One step ahead as usual ... Brittle heaven (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for keeping an eye on the Bobby Fischer article. Just to clarify (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Notes and Footnotes

Both are an acceptable and recommended form of Section headings Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Section_headings ChessCreator (talk) 13:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

List of chess terms

Some time ago you made a request to have links like brilliancy prize link on the targets and be specific in the List of chess terms article. This is now available and working. You may like to consider revisiting the various articles that link in and amend accordingly. However even if not amended the links they still go to the appropriate first letter. ChessCreator (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Correspondence and other grandmasters

Hi, Yes I was thinking exactly the same! I have a slight preference for Category:Correspondence chess grandmasters, but then again I am not a native speaker. If you have time, do create either of them, I think it is a worth it! In the same way we need something like Category:Grandmaster of chess composition (there was one in the grandmasters category -forgot who). Voorlandt (talk) 22:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

chess

+tags add nothing do the work Chessy999 (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your many contributions. I corrected a small detail on the Andor Lilienthal article. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hallegua

Hi! I have just created an article Alexei Alekhine, and updated Alexander Alekhine (tournaments and matches). I would like to add Hallegua. Now, I know that B. (first name ?) Hallegua (born 1880 - died ?) was a Jewish chess player from Turkey. In 1914, he played in three tournaments in Europe:

took 4th, behind Frank Marshall, Alexander Alekhine, and André Muffang, in the Quadrangular tournament of the famous Cafe Continental in Paris on July 12th/14th, 1914;
took 2nd, behind André Muffang or Dawid Janowski ?, in a tournament (10 players) in Paris;
won (leading), ahead of Ilya Rabinovich and Oscar Tenner, Haupturnier A in Mannheim (the 19th DSB Congress, July/August 1914).

Have you got any more information (maybe from Jeremy Gaige) on him ? --Mibelz (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Alekhine

Thanks for your opinions. --Mi 9:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)