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[edit] Phish covered it in its entirety

  • Where do we mention that they did this? And sources need to be found, too. TheDavesr 22:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't we just try to forget the fact that it happened?  : p

[edit] Name or location

Does anyone know the name or location of the rock that appears in the album's photos, presumably as the place where Jimmy sits when the story gets to "Lover Reign O'er Me"? -- B.Bryant

[edit] use of term "punk" before it referred to punk rock music

I believe that Townshend intended the term to mean punk in Wikitionary's 8th definition (a worthless person) but taken as a kind of point of pride.

Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either. I didn't think that punk was a real term until the Sex Pistols or the Ramones. My guess is that the term "punk" is used as a title to be proud of because there were people at that time who lived to shock or shame people. Being called "punk" was probably a compliment to those people.

This is actually incorrect and could do with being changed. The term was associated with garage bands of the late sixties and appear in creem magazine in that context in an article in 1971 i believe. --Neon white 01:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I have discovered (since I wrote the note) the same information - it was a way to connect the new noise with the old. BUT - this is in reference to an epithet, not a musical style. --Fantailfan 22:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who wrote it???

Can anyone tell me who wrote the little story (told from Jimmy's point of view) in the insert pamphlet? I believe it is Pete Townshend, but it's entirely possible that it was someone else. Also a word to the wise: While listening to "I Am the Sea" (disc 1 track 1), don't turn up the volume to hear what they're singing. You'll deafen yourself once it gets to "The Real Me."


If you happen to have the vinyl version of this album, on the label it has a credit reading All Inserts -- Pete Townshend. You are correct.

[edit] Bell Boy

Was part of "Bell Boy" sung by Keith Moon or was Roger just being silly? I'm certain I'd not heard the voice before, except maybe in "Tommy's Holiday Camp," on Tommy. If Moon did sing part of this song, can you tell me which part please? Much appreciated.

According to the Keith Moon biography 'Moon', by British author Tony Fletcher (published by Harper Collins in 1997), it is Keith Moon who sings on Bell Boy, specifically the lines 'I got a good job/and I'm newly born/you should see me dressed up in my uniform/I work in a hotel all gilt and flash/Remember the gaff where the doors we smashed'.

Moon then continues, as the 'response' in the 'call-and-response' chorus 'I've got to get running now/keep the lip buttoned down/Carry the bloody baggage out/always running at someone's heel/you know how I feel/always running at someone's heel'

Then, changing his vocal delivery, he continues 'some nights I still sleep on the beach/remember when stars seemed in reach/then I wander in early to work/spend the day licking boots for my perks'

Roger takes over here, reprising the first verse 'a beach is a place a man can feel' etc.

Moon takes over with 'people often change/but when I look in your eyes/you could learn a lot from a life like mine/the secret to me isn't flown like a flag/I carry it behind this little badge that says'

Here the call-and-response chorus is reprised, with Moon responding as he did in the first chorus.

To cross-examine, listen to Keith's frequent between-song comments on the expanded 'Live at Leeds'. Specifically, before the performance of "A Quick One", Townshend explains that Ivor the Engine Driver and the girl fornicate, which prompts Keith to query "Wassat Pete?...that's the trouble with always sitting here in the back..."etc. It's not a huge stretch from that voice to the voice of "Bell Boy".

I hope you find this helpful.


The 1994 video "30 Years Of Maximum" R&B included a live performance of "Bell Boy" at Charlton Athletic Football Ground in 1974. Just before Keith's first line, he stops drumming, grabs Roger's vocal mike, and starts singing (Roger shares John's mike for the response vocal in the chorus). He hands it back before the reprise of the first verse and continues drumming. He then grabs Roger's mike again for his second vocal section. While Keith is singing, he makes a brief attempt to bang a few drums with one stick as and when he can.

I assume this was done to feature Keith Moon as a character, as other occasions that saw him take a vocal simply involved him having his own mike while behind the drums. (--Ritchie333 19:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Not progressive rock

In this article, it is suggested that Quadrophenia is best appreciated by progressive rock fans- those listeners accustomed to odd-time signatures, extended song forms, instrumental solos, and obscure lyrical content. If a listener is expecting these things from Quadrophenia, they will be much disappointed, as the album contains very little of these elements.

In much of the commentary on Quadrophenia, critics seem to find it either akin to, or an aritfact of, the progressive rock movement. I completely disagree. Here are some reasons why.

Except for the songs 'I Am The Sea', 'Quadrophenia' and 'The Rock', all the songs are built around conventional pop song formats, with verses, choruses, and bridges- no multi-part compositions in the vein of 'Close to the Edge', for example.

And the lyrical content is classic pop music- clothes, parents, drugs, work, girls, means of transportation, love, etc., making the songs much closer in spirit to Chuck Berry than Genesis. The bulk of the songs are conventional pop song length as well. True, the compositions 'Quadrophenia' and 'The Rock' are instrumental and last over 5 minutes, but these are instrumental renderings of songs with lyrics, not compositions for strictly instrumental performance. They are more comparable to the overtures and entre'acts of classic Broadway musicals than to ELP-style instrumental performances.

All of the songs are in 4/4 time (except Love Reign O'er Me, which is in 12/8, played essentially in 4/4 time, divided 3-3-3-3). There are no guitar solos at all in the vocal tracks, and no 'unusual' instruments are used on the album- no sitars, marimbas, backward guitar solos, Mellotrons, or orchestras. It's mostly vocals, guitar (acoustic and electric), bass, and drums, with occasional synth, piano, and brass overdubs (and some nice bongo playing at the end of 'I've Had Enough').

To sum up, upon examination, 'Quadrophenia' does not appear to be progressive rock to me. Does anyone else feel this way? Or does anyone else feel strongly that it is progressive rock? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.


I agree with you, but it should be mentioned that that does NOT detract from the albums worth. -FeralCats


"And though it has been largely shrugged off by rock fans as being overblown and pretentious, fans of progressive rock often consider it The Who's best album for pretty much the same reasons." This sentence seems pretty NPOV, progressive rock fans enjoy the album beacuse its "overblown and pretentious" BauerPower 17:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree that the terms 'overblown' and 'pretentious' constitute a neutral point of view. In fact, I believe they are meant pejoratively. Also, I do not feel this album has been 'largely shrugged off by rock fans'. Witness the successful release of a 'Quadrophenia' concert on DVD in 2005, notwithstanding the influential movie in 1979, the extensive 1996-97 Quadrophenia tour, its current development as a musical theater piece, and the countless internet discussion groups and fan sites devoted to the album.

The impetus behind me wanting to discuss the album as 'not progressive rock' was to combat what I feel to be laziness on the part of music critics at large. When the album was first released, critical response was mixed, with many critics calling it 'pretentious', 'overblown', and 'progressive rock'. These labels have stuck since that time, and have largely gone unquestioned.

I believe the passage of thirty-three years since its release has proved the album to be one of The Who's finest works. And if we agree that the Who are one of rock music's greatest ensembles, than this album is in rarefied company.

I do not feel the album is without flaw- no great work of art ever is. I would love to see its flaws- and merits- debated and discussed openly among listeners and critics. I do not feel this can occur until inaccurate labeling of the music ('progressive rock') and unfair (and also inaccurate) description of the music ('unsuccessful', 'overblown', and 'pretentious') stop occuring.

Clearly, the world does not need more rabid Who fans (such as I) gushing with praise for their work. But, I do feel the community of music fans, musicians, and critics would benefit from a sensible, reasoned, and fresh view of the work. I hope this discussion leads to the beginning of such a view.

"When the album was first released, critical response was mixed, with many critics calling it 'pretentious', 'overblown', and 'progressive rock'. These labels have stuck since that time, and have largely gone unquestioned."
It is not our place to question. If this is what critics have said, we have to accept it. If you're looking to change people's perceptions, or indeed debate their opinions, maybe an encyclopaedia is not the best place to try it. MightyMoose22 >Abort, Retry, Fail?_ 04:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earliest Quadrophenia CD

It is stated that a remastered CD was released in 1996. However I believe I have a version that pre-dates this. It is a AAD CD from Polydor bearing the catalogue number 831074-2. The front cover is different when compared to the remastered one. On the 1996 remastered CD (531917-2), the front cover has the word "Quadrophenia" on the top, bottom and sides. On the version I have, however, it only has it on the top. I can't actually seem to find the original date of the CD, so I'm not sure if it predates the remastered one. Is there anyone who knows what the date is? --cheese-cube 06:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Four personalities Re: Ace Face

The article suggested that Jimmy "knew one of the band members" and references "Bell Boy." This is a conflation of two different things. From the story that accompanies the album: "There's nothing uglier than a Rocker. This ace face geezer wouldn't have run. He smashed the glass doors of this hotel too. He was terrific. ... Quite funny, I met him earlier today. He ended up working and the same hotel. But he wasn't the manager." It's not Jimmy who works as a bell boy. It's the ace face geezer. And it's not any of the band members of The Who who are involved in this part of the story. In "Bell Boy," Jimmy is running into the ace face geezer, who is now working as a bell boy at the same hotel where he had smashed the window. -- Urzatron, 15:02, 22 February 2006

[edit] Did someone forget to mention raw emotion?

I have never understood why people bad-mouth the album as "over-produced" and "a departure from the raw emotions of rock and roll." As far as I am concerned, there has never been a clearer, more emotionally evocative statement of teen frustration, rage and confusion. If you doubt the force of the music, recall that "Had Enough," "Drowned," and "Dr. Jimmy" hardly ever get any air play on radio. The songs are too raw and real to play: the last thing any radio station wants is to inspire a wave of teen suicide and rape because it plays songs that actually express teenagers' darkest authentic thoughts. (For the same reason, you hardly ever hear "The End" by the Doors on the local FM station.) Quadrophenia is not progressive rock fluff. It is essential rock and roll.

[edit] Preserving LP track listing

I feel strongly that noting the tracklisting for multiple-LP albums released before the CD era is important. The length given to each side (20-25 minutes maximum) frequently dictated the length, choice and placement of songs. --Fantailfan 00:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy had dope?

The article refers to Jimmy's parents finding his 'dope' (presumably cannabis). Are not 'blues' amphetamine pills as seen in the film? I've changed it in the meantime anyway.--ChrisJMoor 00:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remastered/re-released editions?

Tommy, Who's Next, and Live at Leeds all have notes about remastered/re-released "deluxe editions" of the albums; has there been a re-release of Quadrophenia yet in the same vein? As far as I know, cat. # MCAD2-11463 is the most recent release. Anyone? --Insomniak 00:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a list of characters

I would like to add a list of the characters in this rock opera, like in the Tommy article. I know the different characters aren't as central to the plot as are Jim's four personalities, but I have made a rough list.

  • James "Jimmy" Michael Cooper
  • The Shrink?
  • The Preacher
  • Mrs. Cooper (Jimmy's Mother)
  • Mr. Cooper (Jimmy's Father)
  • Steph? (Jimmy’s Girlfriend)
  • The Godfather
  • Dave? (Jimmy’s Best Friend)
  • The Bell Boy/The Ace Face

Does anyone know the names of some of these people, or have a better list? Thanks for any comments. Jimmybob32 09:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Is It Me?"

Is it just me, or can anyone else not find any evidence that this song exists? It is not even on the track listing on this article. Zazaban (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not a song, it's a theme. - Fractious Jell (talk) 00:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)