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Contents 1 roon? 2 Colette 3 Sean Paul 4 Proposed merge 5 "Famous quadroons" etc. 6 Hexadecaroon 7 QUARTRONNE-- FAMOUS case of LOUISIANA WOMAN SALLY MILLER

[edit] roon?

it says quint implies 5. what is roon?

whats the origin of the word? whats it mean? 72.174.2.252 12:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

See http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/quadroon -- Ccady 14:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

doesnt exactly clear it up. -roon is bastardization of -eron? anyway, I think it belongs in the article.72.174.2.252 17:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colette

The bisexual French author Colette may have been either a quadroon or an octoroon. Please see the book "Creating Colette." May she be added to the list? jcm 10/08/06

[edit] Sean Paul

According to wikipedia's Sean Paul entry, he may be an "octoroon." Is it okay to put him in the list of famous folk? jcm 9/7/8

what's the term for a person who is 3/4 black and 1/4 white?

MY GUESS: This may just be in Brazil, but I think I read once that a person 75% black is called "sambo" over there, but in this US, this is probably a serious epithet. jcm 9/7/6

Gringo300 15:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it's just black, I think the rule is round to the blackest name.

[edit] Proposed merge

I propose the merger of octoroon and quintroon here as these two are only somewhat trivial extensions of the same one-drop theory of race as expressed in 19th century Louisiana culture.--Pharos 20:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that could work.

[edit] "Famous quadroons" etc.

Mariah Carey is not a "quadroon". These terms were racial categories in the culture of 19th century Louisiana– "quadroon" is not meaningful as a universal word for a person with three white grandparents and one black grandparent. I think the inclusion of Homer Plessy is appropriate as he was part of that culture. Calling Mariah Carey a "quadroon" is a little like calling Harrison Ford a "mischling".--Pharos 19:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I think I fixed it. Omphaloscope » talk 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that citing modern people of mixed racial background as "quadroons" is accurate, since these terms are no longer used. No sane person in a reputable source would describe Peter Ustinov as an octoroon. Consider also The list of famous bastards; it includes only examples where their bastardy was historic and relevant, and does not include, say, Jack Nicholson. Unless there is great objection, I am going to remove modern examples from this article. Wachholder0 03:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that this section be removed entirely. Exactly what purpose does it serve?--Media anthro 03:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've removed this section. There is no place in Wikipedia for listing people who might have been described as something. We could include descriptions of people as quadroons if we had sources, but that's the limit, I think. Reverse Gear 05:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added Alexander Pushkin to the popular culture section. As a 19th century writer he may have been referred to as an octoroon. Also, he wrote an unfinished novel about his great-grandfather, The Moor of Peter the Great. But, more importantly, Pushkin is one of the greatest figures in literature and it is not widely recognised that he was of mixed-race descent. 20 May 2007

Is Alexandre Dumas considered a Quadroon? If so I would add him to yhe list of famous quadroons.72.152.37.12 18:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hexadecaroon

Someone doesn't know their powers of two! I'd suggest that a hexadecaroon probably has an octaroon as a parent, making them fifth generation black, and would therefore be synonymous with quintoon (which is probably used more frequently, if this is correct as implied, exactly because people don't understand the language). Can someone confirm and correct this? BarryNorton 12:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] QUARTRONNE-- FAMOUS case of LOUISIANA WOMAN SALLY MILLER

On the Wikipedia page for Sally Miller-- a famous Louisiana woman who won a court case getting her freedom from slavery by claiming to actually be an abducted German immigrant, the court papers cited on the Wikipedia page claim her lawyer argued she couldn't possibly even be a "QUARTRONNE" -- OR PERSON OF 1/16 black ancestry.

PROBLEM: ELSEWHERE I've seen QUARTRONNE as 1/4 black ancestry (like QUADROON, and perhaps a SYNONYM?) Citation "Beyond Black and White: Cultural Approaches to Race and Slavery" (by Ariela Gross from the Columbia Law Review (Vol. 101, No. 3 (Apr., 2001), pp. 640-690 doi:10.2307/1123740)

SINCE THE TERM QUARTRONNE IS PART of a famous Louisiana court case based on gaining a person's freedom, it's too bad it's so unclear between the Sally Miller Page, and not included on this page where it really belongs.

1) Does anyone know whether the term used correctly or incorrectly in the quote on the Sally Miller Wikipage?

2) Either way, shouldn't the term be hyperlinked to this page and defined here?

I hope someone knows about this history! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcarlenius (talk • contribs) 19:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)