Talk:Quad (figure skating)

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A fact from Quad (figure skating) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 8 January 2008.

This page was created because the history of the quad can no longer be found anywhere on the internet, although it used to be maintained several years ago. The information was mostly taken from a saved html page that was lying on my hard drive since 2000, and I have updated it somewhat (but only with documented events -- undocumented events are from the original document). Since that info is public knowledge, I assume that there is no copyright problem (in fact, the original page did not claim any copyright at all).

The list is definitly not complete. Some of the listed events are "official" (meaning recognized officially by the ISU), and some others are from ice skating lore. For instance, Robert Wagenhoffer was widely known to have been practicing quads in the 70's before anybody else, and to have landed his first in 79. Although there is no "proof", it hasn't ever, to my knowledge, been questionned.

There is no doubt that a few clean landings in competitions are missing, especially when considering National championships, as these did not generate as much noise as international competitions. However, for the same reason, less documentation is available to verify the claims this page may potentially generate.

It would be great if someone could include significant quad-related events for ladies after 2002... It does not seem to make sense however to keep going with the men (except for other quad firsts when they'll happen, like quad axel for instance), as quads have become the norm there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 21:23, 3 January 2008

I see your point. However, on Wikipedia, things do need to verifiable and cited properly. Most of these things have no citations, and undocumented occurances that "everyone" knows about still need to be properly cited. As most of this, as you said, is from a website of unknown copyright, I suggest merging this page entirely into Figure skating jumps and removing everything that can't be cited, or that has been outright stolen from another website in violation of copyright. Kolindigo (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrt to merging with the main Figure Skating page, that might make sense. The reason a separate page was originally made was because "quad", as a figure skating term, was listed in the disambiguation page for "Quad". My opinion is that the history of the quad would overload the main figure skating page with a whole bunch of dates that probably few people are interested in, but if you guys think it makes sense, I have no problem with that, I just thought it made more sense that way.

Wrt to deleting entries that have no citation, I would suggest waiting until someone has at least tried to find references to these events. If noone else cares about this, I can continue with this research, as I have added a few references already, and hope to find more authoritative ones.

What is your suggestion for entries such as Robert Wagenhoffer's ? It's clear we can find references to the fact that he was training on quads in the 70's, but I don't think any of this is ever going to be authoritative, certainly no news about his landing it is going to be so. Perhaps changing this entry to something like "Claims that Robert Wagenhoffer lands a quad in training are circulating", or something to that effect, so as to make clear the nature of the information ? Certainly, removing it altogether would be removing an important part of skating lore, as it pertains to the quad. Let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 21:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to try and clean up the page using your recommendations, adding references where I can. I'm hoping we can keep the unreferenced entries in the meantime, until I've had a chance to perform the additional research. I'll do my best to do that quickly so as not to leave this page in this state for too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 22:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)