Talk:Putinisms
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This article was nominated for deletion on 2007-10-20. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. |
The initial text of this article was created by User:DonaldDuck and copied here by me.Biophys 04:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why I marked for deletion.
I propose this article be deleted. It has no clear theme, the quotes don't all show evidence of "peculiar gaffes", and it's small enough and specific enough that the information could just be merged into the Putin article. Frankly, most of the information in this article is probably just not noteworthy enough for inclusion. Further, the humor section is out of place, and the poutine/putinas/puto stuff is pointless. In summary, this article is a random collection of barely noteworthy crap that appears to be thrown together without any theme or purpose, and we should just stop it from sullying the wikipedia. 24.17.110.223 (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's noteworthy that Kukly was threatened. (In fact there was a move to make insulting the president a criminal offense.) Is there a reason you didn't take this action as a registered editor? PētersV (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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- I propose this be renamed "List of Putin quotes". There's nothing in here that supports the word "Putinisms" or the article's description of what Putinisms are. Compare this article to Bushism, which discusses at length common mistakes in Bush quotes. Furthermore, a brief internet search reveals little on "Putinisms" leading me to believe that the original author was just trying to be clever. I'm gonna go ahead an do this. Cromulent (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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- I am aganist renaming for two reasons. First, this article also describes various statements about Putin, not only his statements (see "Putin in humour and fiction" section). Second, the term "putinisms" was supported by reference 1 introduced by DonaldDuck. I believe this is to be a reliable source. If you think otherwise, please justify.Biophys (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Regarding your first point, let's review what the article contains. (a) quotes by Putin (b) anecdotes about Putin (c) references Po putin in pop culture. What would you call an article containing these 3 types of things? Second, the only reference is an academic paper. Anyone could make up a word or popularize their own catchphrase. It's a non-notable made-up word to describe a notable person. This makes it non-notable, just like "putinalia".
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- What makes subjects notable is the existence of outside sources about them. Hence the subject is notable. Of course, one might make several different articles from this, like Political views of Vladimir Putin, Vladimir Putin in humor and fiction, and so on. But we need more opinions about this before renaming or creating anything. Since Putin is going to stay as Russian Tsar forever (third term and much beyond), this may be a notable subject.Biophys (talk) 03:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Mochit + Sortir
The translation here is appalling. "мочить в сортире" is very unusual slang, not "We will corner the bandits in the toilet and beat the hell out of them." 'Sortir' is 'bog', 'khazi', 'shitter' - something quite crude. 'Mochit' is criminal slang suggesting the wetness of the blood when someone is killed. It's most definitely not 'beating' someone. 'Put a bullet in their head' or something shorter would be preferable. Malick78 (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
