Talk:Purity ring
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[edit] History
What is the history of the term? Or it is simply a modern marketing ploy? mikka (t) 17:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Really?!! Am I mistaken, or is this a very recent phenomenon, restricted to some American Christians? Shouldn't there be something in the article that explains how widespread this is, how long it has been going on, who is doing it? The first line says that they are a "symbol of virginity in religious cultures". Is that really an accurate statement?
Steve Lowther 09:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I ran around and checked a lot of the related articles and came up with some answers to the obvious questions. I tweaked the language a bit too, just to make it sound a little more encyclopedic.
Steve Lowther 06:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't edit myself... don't have the time... but some eager soul might find this useful:
From: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-19-2005-75134.asp
When one thinks of a promise ring it is common to think of a small, inexpensive ring given to a woman as a promise of marriage in the future; however, this is not always the case. A promise ring has several other purposes besides being a pre-engagement ring. A promise ring can be given or used for any sign of commitment. The following are some other common uses for a promise ring.
A Non-Romantic Promise Between Friends
A promise ring can be given as a sign of a promise between two friends. Such a ring can be given to a special friend, to a friend who is moving far away, or even to a friend who you will not see for awhile. A friendship promise ring is very common with young girls who get matching rings that say "best friends forever." A promise ring between two friends is a way of showing that a certain friendship is something very special to you.
A Promise of To Be Chaste
Also called a purity ring, this type of promise ring is worn as a reminder to be chaste. This can be given by a boyfriend or a girlfriend but is also frequently given by parents to a child. It is meant to keep one sexually pure until true love and marriage is found. This type of promise ring is a constant reminder to the wearer to remain abstinent until marriage.
A Promise of Substance Abstinence
A promise ring can also be used by those who are looking to stay free from alcohol or other harmful substances. This ring can be given to oneself or by someone else as a constant reminder to stay free from drugs and other substances that are harmful to the body.
A Promise to Remain Free of an Addiction
While a promise ring can be a promise to remain free from a drug addiction, it can also be a promise to remain free from other additions as well. This would include addictions such as gambling or pornography. It can also be a promise not to take an activity into access such as eating or even video games.
A Promise of Monogamy
When a couple does not to get civilly married they often wear promise rings as a symbol of their commitment to each other. These promise rings have a very strong meaning to the couple and is a way of them expressing their desire to be joined with that person forever.
A Promise of Silence
In ancient times, a ring would be given as a symbol of silence. It was used as a remembrance of the importance of keeping a particular secret. On occasion, a curse was engraved on the inside of what would occur if the secret was revealed.
A Promise of Spiritual Commitment
In the days of old it was common for prominent church leaders to wear a ring as a symbol of their commitment to the church. Even today many faiths wear rings as a reminder of their spiritual commitment.
A promise ring is not limited for the use of a pre-engagement ring, but can represent a promise between non-romantic friends, a promise to be chaste, a promise of substance abstinence, a promise to remain free from an addiction, a promise of monogamy, silence, spiritual commitment, and much more. One should not keep such a limited view of the promise ring as just being a pre-engagement ring, but see the potential of its other purposes as well. As seen, a promise can symbolize any promise that is made between to individuals or even a promise made to oneself. A promise ring is simply a physical sign of a commitment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.164.30 (talk) 13:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chicago Tribune
- According to the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, the federal budget in 2005 allocates $168 million to abstinence-only education. President Bush is seeking $206 million for 2006.
- "While proponents of abstinence-only education claim that virginity pledges help to fight teen pregnancy, many researchers are skeptical. Cynthia Dailard, a senior public policy associate at the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit organization focused on reproductive health, says that there is no reliable evidence that abstinence-only programs reduce teen pregnancy or the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
- In a 2001 study published in the American Journal of Sociology, Peter Bearman, a professor of sociology at Columbia University, found that only 12 percent of the more than 2.5 million adolescents who had made a virginity pledge by 1995 remained abstinent until marriage. Abstinence pledges do delay sex for an average of 18 months, Bearman found, but those who break their pledges are a third less likely to use protection.
- Pledgers are less likely to be prepared for an experience that they have promised to forgo, the study found."
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- I don't know who posted that, but I'd say the above would be more appropriate for the Abstinence-only sex education article.
Steve Lowther 06:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bush administration
The comment about the Bush administration seems either irrelevant or very partisan. JEmfinger 22:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Some one must have removed it a while ago. I never saw it.
Steve Lowther 06:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unreferenced quote
From the article:
The Chicago Tribune wrote:
- "Under the Bush administration, organizations that promote abstinence and encourage teens to sign virginity pledges or wear purity rings have received federal grants. The Silver Ring Thing, a subsidiary of a Pennsylvania Evangelical Church, has received more than $1 million from the government to promote abstinence and to sell its rings in the United States and abroad."
When? Cite, please. -- The Anome 02:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
- Deletion restored. In such cases, pieces are not deleted, but marked with {{fact}}. It was an article by David Bario posted at several websites. It is still hanging around in several places, like here or here. I copied the quotation from "Chicago Tribune" site. Sorry I didn't think to copy the date. You may ask him yourself. dab2107@columbia.edu mikka (t) 17:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd say that would be more appropriate for the Silver Ring Thing article.
Steve Lowther 06:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge proposal
I propose merging Promise ring into this article; it is a very short, minor article which is closely related (almost identical) to this one. Simply adding the information from Promise ring as a section in this article would be more appropriate. Cheers! =David(talk)(contribs) 07:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- TTotally different concepts. There may be much more written about promise rings, somply no one cares. `'Míkka 03:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Entirely disagree, David. Purity rings are a subset of promise rings, not the other way around; if you must merge the articles, please do it in the other direction. - Etherjammer 12:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- In the present state or article, the merge in this direction is out of question. Purity ring is a well-referenced article, about very specific topic. "Promise ring" is a vague unreferenced speculation, most of each I deleted. `'Míkka 16:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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- What about changing the lead sentence to read "Purity rings (also called chastity rings or promise rings..." and then prodding the other for deletion? Because you're right, and that's why I wanted to merge them. =David(talk)(contribs) 16:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am not a deletionist, despite the appearance, and IMO it is possible that the second article may survive, since there are a whooping 701,000 google hits. Of course, most of them are from websites peddling diamonds and stuff, so all their texts are most probably marketing bullshit. Therefore it will require quite some time to dig some reputable, independent references. `'Míkka 16:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- What about changing the lead sentence to read "Purity rings (also called chastity rings or promise rings..." and then prodding the other for deletion? Because you're right, and that's why I wanted to merge them. =David(talk)(contribs) 16:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
"Purity Rings" are religious in nature, while one can argue that a 'Promise Ring' is not. Please do not merge or delte. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.84.66.34 (talk) 18:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not a religious person at all. I wear a promise ring, not a purity ring. These two topics should not be combined. A promise ring is a promise to stay with one person and to promise to marry in the future. A Purity ring is very different from that, at least I think so. Please don't combine or delete it. Lavender333 05:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Purity rings are NOT also called promise rings. Promise ring is a wide term referring to a ring given to somebody, representing a promise. Whether that promise be marriage, engagement, commitment, chastity or to wash the dog every Wednesday. Nobody is suggesting to merge engagement rings with purity rings, they are simply not the same. EsocksLAMB 01:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The only similarity between promise rings and purity rings is that they're both rings. A promise ring represents a promise to another person... a purity ring represents a promise to one's self (usually on a religious basis). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.164.30 (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Proposal
All right, how about merging purity rings as a subsection of promise rings? Not the same thing (that is, promise rings are not all purity rings) but a subset (that is, all purity rings are promise rings)? =David(talk)(contribs) 18:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia works exactly in the oppisite way: each independent topic deserves its own article. `'Míkka 15:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Promise rings can also be given prior to engagement and have nothing to do with purity.. It makes sense if for example your girlfriend is in law school for 3 years and engagement is more appropriate when you can actually live together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.185.7 (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
