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[edit] Regions

Puntland consists of two regions: Bari and Nugaal. It is a mostly barren region with an estimated population of 1 million. Wikipedia should correct the population count which is wildly exaggerated.

[edit] Map

What's the red highlighted bit on the map? [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 07:37, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's the area of Mogadishu, which is the capital of Somalia and also apparently in dispute between various factions... --Joy [shallot] 10:04, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the map?

  • the Puntland map has vanished...... any explanation? Pure inuyasha 02:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Seems to be there as of this writing. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I have removed the external links to non-English websites, as this is, after all, the English Wikipedia. Somali language websites are better suited for the Somali Wikipedia. I have based this on the Manual of Style (links) and this discussion. I've also removed websites that seem to have lost their domain names, and one that mirrored a UN document (opting to link directly to the source instead). Thanks. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buntiland

Could someone explain why the word "Puntland" has been replaced by "Buntiland" throughout? I will revert the changes for the time being. Also, stating that Puntland/Buntiland is "the ghetto of Somalia" is POV. Tamino 19:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Flag

Could someone explain why there is a different flag on the "Flags of unrecognized states" page? Hanshooyberghs 09:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC),3 Sep 2006

What exactly is the source for the flag on this page. FOTW supports the "light blue Somalian" design: [1] --Himasaram 22:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endonym

The أرض البنط at the top of the infobox is in Arabic (ard al-bunt or whatever), but I assume Arabic is not actually the language spoken by the majority of the inhabitants of the area... AnonMoos 14:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Headline text

Somaliland. Could someone please explain why one is WAY more detailed than the other? This needs heavy expansion people. Interlaker 16:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The introduction states that "Like neighbouring Somaliland, [Puntland] does seek outright independence from Somalia", yet the History section states that "Unlike the self-declared state of Somaliland, Puntland is not trying to obtain international recognition as a nation". This seems to be a contradiction; I hope that someone who knows more than I do about Puntland's desires for self-governance will rectify this. Xinophiliac 16:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Puntland is not seeking independence, so the history section is correct. --Ingoman 22:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Puntland is seeking outright indipendance and the inacuracy has been fixed--Somali123 17:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Somali123, please cite your source regarding Puntland seeking independence. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't know why this guy is trying to confuse things, but that's untrue. A brief look on Puntland's own government website explains their policy on autonomy quite clearly. Look at section 1.2 here. Somalis need to stop trying to take advantage of western ignorance on these matters. --Ingoman 19:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somali Names

Naming of people varies between cultures. In traditional British usage A (B, C....) X refers to A (who might have further names B, C.., which can be used as required for distinguishing or distinction) and whose surname is X. Surname traditionally is the father's surname. The answer to "What's your name" can depend on the circumstances:
"John" to a teacher.
"John Jones" at a doctor's surgery.
"Jones, sir" in the military.
Basically a Somali's name is what is first in the string e.g. Axmed or Faduma. What follows is the father's name as in Axmed Cali or Faduma Cali, then comes the paternal grandfather's name e.g Axmed Cali Axmed and so on as far as unambiguity or pride demands.
Four complications:
1) A (child of) B (son of) C might in a European context be called A or mistakenly B or C (or even A and B and C as though different people) because it is not realised that the B and C of A B C are patrinomics and not surnames. WP, including Puntland has much such confusion.
2) Nicknames are common and may be used instead of a name in the list, or as a gloss on what has gone before. Cali (s/o) Muuse Timir where Timir ("dates" due to some involvement with the fruit) is someone's nickname, either the dateman "Cali Muuse" or "Cali son of Muuse-the-dateman". Ambiguity in speech is reduced as in English by stress and timing. Mentioned datelessly he'd be Cali Muuse Cali
3) Titles such as Sheikh, Xaji, and Ugaas can be dropped into the list.
4) And the person's name can be omitted by using "ina" ("child of"): ina Muuse.