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[edit] Shivaji Raje’s Contribution to Pune

Gaurav, Please find answer of ur question in below points.

1] In 1637, Shivaji Raje got ownership (sardeshmukhi) of Pune. After receiving guidance from Dadoji Konddev and Mother Jijabai he can be credited for construction big dam near Kondhana and Dam on 'Ambil' river which passes between city. He,with the help of Dadoji tried to bring more land for under cultivation. As a result population of Pune rose 2-3 times in 1658,comparing to 1636.This is due to wave of migration from surrounding areas to Pune, as the city had better administration, Law & order and growth prospects.

According to Shivaji, he was born in 1630. Did he really get ownership at the age of seven? If you have a reference for this, brilliant - we'll be able to improve both Pune and Shivaji!

2] Pune surrounding had 36 villages at that time like Aundh, Parvati, Kothrud etc. Shivaji Maharaj can be credited for streamlining of the revenue of villages to Pune. He made Pune as capital Pune Pargana as mentioned in historic documents, this was not done by earlier administrators of Pune like Rango Dhadphale or Murar Jogdev. In 1657, When Maharaj attacked Junnar and Ahmednagar his army base was Pune at that time.

3] In 1670,he developed 14 peths for trade activities ( peths was already existed but a setup of trade activities had been developed) around Pune,each Peth was having one name representing a day of week like Somawar,Mangalwar peth etc. Means Monday was "market day" for Somawr peth traders, Thursday for Guruwar Peth traders so on this activity was first started during Shivaji Raje's period.

I didn't know that! You should add this to Peths in Pune; it'd be great to have more information about life in central Pune all those hundreds of years ago.

4] No of Peths developed during Shivaji Raje’s period : 14 and No of Peths developed during Peshwa’s period : 4

We've only got four peths listed on Peths in Pune built during Shivaji's rule. Do you have a list of the other ten? Could you please add them there?

5] During Peshwa's period, mainly Sadashiv,Narayan peths had been developed to accommodate clerks and Priest came to Pune from Konkan area. Other two peths developed during peshwa period are Nana and Rasta peths , those had some trade activities but note that large scale trade activities had been started in city long back in 1670,it is not like that only during peshwa rule, Pune witnessed growth or trade activities.

6] During 1818 to 1970, large scale migration of traders from central area of city to Rasta,Nana Peth happened, some people who came to Pune after 1947 or after 1955, have misinterpreted this as, only Rasta and Nana peths in Pune have trade activities since historic time not the central areas of city, since it was known that these two peths had developed during Peshwa period, they gave importance to peshwa period than Shivaji Raje’s period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaibhavforjoy (talk • contribs) 08:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Other than to point out that you ought to sign your post (just put four tildes - ~~~~ - at the end of your post; when you save your page, it'll be replaced with your username and the time of posting), congratulations! I hope you add this information - preferably with citations? - to the article. You might also want to start a new article - History of Pune? - and put your information there, so as not to clutter up the Pune article. Properly cited, this information will be an incredibly valuable addition the all the articles on Pune's history! -- Gaurav (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One request

Someone has removed a sentence mentioning Shivaji Maharaj spend his early years in this city, if you are not sure just ask any expert or authorised person about this why to remove the sentence? also why some one is keeping peshwa related information intact and removing Shivaji Maharaj related information from the page? this is not good.

regards, Vaibhav Deshpande —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaibhavforjoy (talk • contribs) 06:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see this message before writing on your wall! I removed the line about Shivaji, while leaving the line about the Peshwe. My understanding is that while Shivaji spent his early years in the city, this did not have much influence on the development of the city (I would argue that Dadoji Kondev and Shahaji had a much bigger part in Pune's medieval history). However, Pune rose from being a small town to a large, extremely important town because of the influence of the Peshwe, first as patrons of the town, and then - after they assumed effective control of the Maratha empire - as the capital of the entire empire. Without Shivaji spending his childhood there, Pune wouldn't have changed much one way or another (except as a side-effect of his founding the Maratha empire). Without Peshwa patronage, however, Pune would likely have remained a small, backwater town. For this reason, I think it's important to mention the Peshwa history in the introductory paragraphs, but not so important to mention Shivaji's relatively small and inconsequential stay in the city.
Of course, Shivaji's stay is an interesting brush with history for the town - who would have suspected what that little boy would become? - and definitely deserves to be in the History section, where it is, along with the anecdote of Jijabai naming the Kasba Ganapati and Dadoji Kondev's development of the town. However, I don't think it's significant enough to be in the introductory paragraphs - along the example of articles like New York City and Mumbai, I feel that the city's history should be limited in the introductory paragraph, in favour of more information on the city's present; I would be against having even the mention of the Peshwa, except that I believe (as mentioned above) that the Peshwe were crucial to Pune's development from a small town to a significant city, as were the British and the recent industrialization - which is why they are mentioned in the same paragraph as well.
Let's not get into an edit war over this; in that spirit, I'm not going to revert Vaibhav's edit. Vaibhav: please argue your point of view, and - if you convince me - I'll merge your edits into the article and ensure they stay in the article myself. Until such a conversion, however, I'll stick with my point of view, which is that mentioning Shivaji in the introductory paragraph is a bad idea. -- Gaurav (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An Appeal

Please do not Vandalize this page with unnecessary links to pages (especially in the education and economy sections). If you do want to edit this page please please follow guidlines stated by the Wikiproject Indian cities. There are some great articles on Indian Cities on Wikipedia. Please follow the editorial pattern set by those cities.

--Aakkshay 20:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have removed certain parts from the Education section. These lines reflected individual opinions and were generally unrelated to Pune (the city).

--Ashycool 18:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] marketing gimmick?

the section on food has the mention of a 'thali' available at a restaurant and also has its contact number . shouldn't it be deleted ? they have slipped in a bit of advertising which is of little use to a user seeking general information on pune . i am removing it. also someone please change the indic text for bhakarwadi , the marathi word is incorrectly spelt.

[edit] Clean up tag

I have removed this as it has been on the article 3 months and the article looks great to me, better than many city articles. Ras Billy I 14:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names of companies

It seems that there is a mad rush for everyone who is reading this article to mention his/her company name among the prominent companies list. Please mention only those companies that are truly Indian or global GIANTS. Not every IT or any other company at every corner in Pune should be mentioned. Please avoid this tempation to keep the info truly meaningful.

I fully agree. Ras Billy I 19:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. The mad rush also includes adding a link within the content. Dude! if your company is worth so much, it most definately will have a wiki page of its own. If it does not, make one. thevikas (talk) 15:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup of History

In the view of a brief history of the city being present as a initial point, i think the History topic should be slightly edited. Mayuresh 19:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

In the "Name" section, it says "Pune started out as Punak-vishy — an agricultural settlement in the 7th century" whereas in the "History" section, the first line reads "Pune started out as Punnaka — an agricultural settlement in the 8th century." Can someone please correct either the first or the second sentence (both the name and the correct century)?

I've edited this section so that it makes more sense; although I'm not an authority on the history of the place. I have it as founded in the first century and simply evolving its name to "Punnaka" by the 8th century. Someone should correct this if I've got it wrong. --Quywompka 13:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just removed a few lines which were describing about a company a bit too much. We here to talk about Pune so please restrain from explaning about new companies and what their plans and that goes out of scope of this article. Thanks. thevikas (talk) 03:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Information needed from students of geogrophy subject.

Fllowing are ancient teroteries under Maratha ruling goverments and modern scientific study is needed and a seprate article is required for respcted subjects . Bara Maval ( Twelv Maval ) area in Pune district 1) Andar Maval , 2) Nane Maval , 3) Mose maval , 4) Paud Maval , 5) Muthe Maval , 6) Karhat Maval , 7) Ghutan Maval , 8) Gunjan Maval 9) Kanad Maval , 10) Welwand Maval , 11) Bhor Maval , 12) Hirdas Maval . FROM :- VISHAL PRAKASH DUDHANE -- VISHAL1976

[edit] This isn't a site to vent your anger!

A lot of the language used in this article is absolutely apalling. In the demographics section, Punekars are described as smug, khadoos, blah, blah... In the same way, the road transport section claims the roads are the shittiest, and a nexus between some people and some other people. While these and more might be popular opinions, this is no place to express them! Do NOT write such crap here! Go vent your anger on some other website. Remember that wikipedia is ONLY for factual information, not crazed vitriol.

[edit] education section

i have spent all morning today revising education and trimming it vastly, putting the old material on Education in Pune. please format this article and add the major changes to it. i have added a few research institutes to the education section, and if you know other research institutes of NATIONAL STATURE, please add their names and a link.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, please stop adding colleges to the education list. Add to the List_of_Pune_Colleges if you wish to mention your college, and create a new article for it if the need arises. Prominent institutions such as COEP are in the main article just for an example. adding colleges and company names endlessly is no more than chest-thumping and looks ridiculous to a non-punekar.

i havent lived in pune for some time now, so if some of the facts are wrong, please feel free to correct them. if you have a nice picture of pune university or a college building, please add it.

--ti 17:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, There seem to be two "lists" as of now
  1. List of colleges in Pune
  2. List of engineering colleges in Pune

And i suspect there will soon be a List of schools in Pune too. This feels ok for now. However, we need to make sure that all of them are in a consistent format. Also, we need to decide on what information does and does not go in those list (see relevant talk pages for further discussion) -Mayuresh 19:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I just cleaned up and removed all links from the education section. Please everyone! this is not a link list page. Put your college in the designated page instead. Please keep the article tidy. Thanks. thevikas (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University Education

Seems people are not in accordance with Tejas81 here , as they have added more colleges to the Education Section. Here i am speaking about Dina Institute and Modern Law College. A lot of people (esp current /passed outs) from these 2 colleges wont agree to me ,but addition of these 2 names does not suite the topic of the Section, also it no way matches the tone/ sense of the subsection. It merely looks like some one wants to mention the college names in this section. As suggested by Tejas81 .. please add the names to List_of_Pune_Colleges rather here.

[edit] Regarding dedicated section on biodiversity and environment in the city

Soon I am going to initiate a section on biodiversity in the city. It will have a general introduction and information on trees, herbs, insects, butterflies and birds of Pune. There are tables and ckecklists of all these. I would like to know appropriate location to add the tables. Think Positive 12:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All Peths In Pune City

May I have a reason to this deletion? All it needs is more links, cites, and perhaps a grammatical recreation. --Shanesan 07:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] name origin controversy introduced by 128.32.14.222

i have removed the following comment in the name section, since it does not mention any relevance to the name of the city. can someone confirm that the city may have derived its name from the Punyeshwar temple? also hindujagruti.org seems to be a religiously biased information source? are there more secular and credible sources for the same information

even if the information is correct, it is written in a very inflammatory style ("insignificant muslim zealots"??) and needs to be re-written. --ti 20:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

"Few know that Pune had 2 big temples Punyeshwar and Narayaneshwar temples dedicated to Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu respectively. They were built by Yadav rulers. However, barbaric muslim rulers in 11th century destroyed those temples. Dargah related to insignificant muslim zealots were built on the ruins of temples by them. Dargah on Punyeshwar temple is called "Thorla Shaikh Sallah". Recently, ruins from temples were discovered when dargah collapsed recently [1]"

[edit] Languages

It says though the mail language of Pune is Marathi, several other languages are spoken. Apart from Marathi, Hindi is the only other language widely spoken. Its true that Pune has people come from all over India, but give me a break .... general public do not speak Gujarati, Kannada or Tulu. Why not add Bengali, Tamil, Telugu & Malayalam ???? I guess its some Karnataka guy who is vandalising all the articles related to Maharashtrian cities. It Kolhapur...Solapur and now even Pune. Just refer to the Solapur article; they are talking as if Solapur was a 100 % Kannada speaking city and Maharashtra has just hijacked it. Even the Kolhapur page mentions the language to be spoken as Marathi & Kannada. Give me a break...........Come on Marathi Wikipedians ...do something

i agree. gujarati can be mentioned with other indian languages, but kannada and tulu are just not popular. we can link to the long-time pune authority [1] if needed as a reference. --ti 17:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obscure information

There are some sections under Biodiversity which are totally obscure and have no significant w.r.t Pune city. e.g Fungi

71 genera belonging to 68 genera from 28 families have so far been reported. Ascomycetes members are represented by 4 genera belonging to 4 families. The remaining 64 genera belong to Basidiomycetes, with mushrooms constituting 38 of them from 12 families, Gastromycetes constituting 13 genera from 10 families and polypores constituting another 13 genera from 6 families.

We should remove such information from the main page. There could be a seperate "Biodiversity in Pune" page with a link to it on the main page.

hi salil, i completely agree, it looks very ridiculous. we can still keep a small section for "Biodiversity in Pune" with link to the main article. --ti 17:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
If anywhere, biodiversity should be discussed at Pune District rather than here, as it is certainly more relevant to a large district including many rural areas rather than a city of 4.4 million people. —Angr 12:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economy section rephrased

I have rephrased Economy section. It seemed that each user had appended information without taking cue of what is written above or below. Each line ended with "some x industry is also in pune". "... also in pune" was repeated many times. This has been removed and industries are now categorised. Each paragraph says about particular type of industry.

Also details like T-system is shifted to ICC, etc are removed. We don't need such minute details in encyclopedia.

I invite disscussion on this change.

Also i have started a new sub sub section, "List of majors having headquaters in pune". Help in growing it. Once big enough we can create a new category.

Please talk before u edit/delete. spacejuncky 06:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] All peths in pune city

Can we move all peths of pune city to history... :)

I mean, i think a section on peths of pune city is more suited as sub section of 'history'. Afterall the concept of peths and its nomencleture have history behind them, also this is unique to pune so cant be a main section. Main sections should remain as standard as possible. Please reply.

spacejuncky 06:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

hi spacejunky, i think we should start a separate section titled Neighborhoods and write about the peths there. i had suggested this as a subsection for template of indian cities on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indian_cities, but noone followed up on it. maybe we should do that.. --ti 19:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 7th largest?

i think it is definitely 8th largest by any standard -city/metro area. mumbai, delhi, {calcutta, chennai, hydie, bangalore}, ahmedabad and only then pune. what is it that makes people want to inch up one place in these rankings!? --ti 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name origin

is it punyanagari punnaka punyavishy or something else? can someone add references.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tejas81 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Peths

Sub section Peths is currently in History section. If feel it should be in Culture section. What do you guys say?

spacejuncky 11:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poona??

Is use of name "Poona" (generally pronounced by non-marathi speakers- Atleast pronounced in Gujarati and Hindi) worth mentioning? spacejuncky 06:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

NO. Pune is the official name of the city and different communities can call city with different names;that doesnt mean we include all. Maharashtraexpress 14:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

YES. Poona is worth mentioning. This MahrashtraExpress is a banned user. Better keep him out of the discussion.

--59.182.33.156 16:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] panoramic photo

added one, with code lifted from Atlanta. i am sure someone can take a better panoramic picture in better light and better editing from a better location. please do so and replace this one! lets add more photos to Pune! --ti 15:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peacock terms

Hi, I agree there may be many peacock terms in whole article. For a while I am working in citing references of the facts presented in article Pune. Regarding eliminating peacock terms, I am dealing with one section at a time. In introductory para for example; for first line in second paragraph "...widely considered the cultural capital..." I have cited refrences which suggests that it is indeed called cultural capital. Same is the case with second line "... several esteemed colleges and educational institutions...". Now after citing these references, which justify above statments, do they still be considered having peacock terms

spacejuncky 03:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Pune neighborhoods

This section seems to be inconsistent and inaccurate. 'Laxmi Road', for example, can hardly be called a neighborhood. Moreover 'Wanavadi' has been mentioned as a separate neighborhood in the article whereas it has been classified under 'Kondhwa' in the article on 'Pune Neighborhoods'.

I suggest we remove the references in the main article and retain just the link which refers to Pune neighborhoods. Mukul2u 06:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

We can remove all existing sub sections of Pune neighborhoods, I'd like to stick with 7 or 8 neighborhoods mentioned in article Pune Neighborhoods. One can summarize them in this section of article Pune spacejuncky 07:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
That sounds great! I'll get a summary in place asap after going through the section on Pune neighborhoods.

Mukul2u 15:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Permission to delete the panoramic photo?

The idea of a panoramic photograph is appealing. However, the existing panoramic photograph has been poorly stitched and cropped and is serving no function apart to detract from the visual appeal of the article. Can we get rid of this and add one later after it has been reviewed by all contributors? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mukul2u (talk • contribs) 06:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

I agree, We can delete it. I will come up with better panoramic photo in future. But on contrary I really don't think there is need of a panoramic photo on main article. Taking reference of other city articles that have gained Featured status (like Mumbai , Delhi), none have anything like panoramic photo.spacejuncky 06:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Yup, seems to be more of a frill than anything else...I'll add some much needed photographs in sections like Transport in a couple of days.


[edit] Capital of Maratha Kingdom?

"gained prominence as the capital of the Maratha kingdom under the Peshwa rule. It was during this period that the city expanded considerably"

It was never a capital of Maratha Kingdom. It was the seat of the Peshva, the PrimeMinister of the Maratha kingdom. It was the center of power of the Maratha Kingdom as the Peshva ruled in the name of Shahu and was the most powerful person in his cabinet. The quoted sentence makes you feel as if it was a capital and the Peshwa's were the rulers while technically they weren't. I wasn't sure how to edit the sentence though. Can somebody take care of this based on the information I gave? --Kaveri 20:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Kaveri, If you have enough proof of what you claim, you can go ahead and edit history section. Don't forget to mention proof in reference section. cheers spacejuncky 06:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing needed

1. "Schools in Pune are either run by the PMC, in which case they are called public schools, or privately by trusts and individuals."

Would it be more appropriate to distinguish between the trust run schools like Huzurpaga, New English school etc. and the newer Private schools? The trust run schools are inexpensive than the private schools.

2. "Private schools have been preferred[citation needed] by a majority of city residents because of better facilities and the use of English language as the medium of instruction."

That is wrong. The private schools do not necessarily have English as the medium of instruction. The preference is also because of the economical class. The publich schools get students from lower class while lower middle, middle class would prefer a trust run school.

3. The section of Engineering Education can be deleted completely. If this section then why not sections with other disciplines? Also, there is enough information about engineering education in the higher education section. --Kaveri 20:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

again, go ahead, edit it, there are many who will re edit/undo it if they feel it is not true/proper/incomplete spacejuncky 06:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sports Section

Hi,

   My name is amit, and i teach skating in various parts of the city. 
   I wanted to upload Info about skating as pune skaters dominate at the international 
   and national level consistently.. 
   
   I will be needing help on how to go about uploading the info.. 

   Thanks in advance
   Amit G

[edit] Recent Developments in Pune

In last two years, pace of changes in Pune is beyound imagination.

It would be appropriate to add important things alrady happened and scheduled to happen in near future.

This is mainly industrial, commercial and educational developments in Pune and its surroundings.

I think, these additions needed urgently.

Thanks, Shrichand Nahar

[edit] Summer temperatures

"from 30 to 38 °C (95 to 107.6 °F)" -- which is it? 30-38C = 86-100F, or 35-42C = 95-107.6F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.160.180 (talk) 14:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] history

The subsection 2.4 "Educational and research hub" seems very out of place in History. Surely this would be better in the section on education?

Also, the subsection 2.3 header is rather long and cumbersome for a subsection header; why not move the last paragraph of subsection 2.2 into 2.3 and retitle it something like "Conflict with the British"? Winterbadger 18:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map of India

The map shown on the page is wrong. It shows part of "Jammu & Kashmir" as Pak Occupied Kashmir. The Official map of India is not the one displayed on this page.

Pyu.agrawal 14:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong page to post. The map is rendered as a part of a central template and not within this article. Try posting here -Mayuresh 16:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biodiversity

Once again I would like to state that biodiversity section should be removed from this page, no other city page on wikipedia has such a section and it does not fit here. I plan to remove it soon, please comment if it should stay. Salil.gokhale (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. The subsection contains no really important material. The city itself does not have anything spectacular to say as of now that I can think of. Go ahead, but salvage the facts or useful material in the section, before deleting.
Oh yes, please also add detailed referencing. Its a shame to see important (at least to us anyway) articles go unreferenced. AshLin (talk) 05:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial Information in Geography Section

It seems that Geography section is not a correct place for following text:

Outside Pune's General Post Office (GPO), next to a large banyan tree in front lies Pune's "Zero" Milestone. The GPO itself (constructed 1873-74) is a two-storied building -- Pune's only building in the Palladian architectural style.

Should it be moved to some other place or removed entirely from the article? --64.236.245.243 (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed those lines for the time being. 64.236.245.243 (talk) 17:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] For Nature Outings and Photography

In my opinion, this section which reads

Kavdi / Kavadi, It is 20 km away from pune on the Pune - Solapur highway. Just after the toll naka on the highway about 50m ahead you get a board Kavdipat(on ur left) you need to take a left at the board and go in there for about 5 mins where you come across the banks of the river ,where birds can be sighted.

seems inappropriate in an encyclopedia article. It may deserve a spot in Wikitravel, but we should remove it from the current article. However, the final decision may be taken after a general conscience. Please discuss the topic over hear before reintroducing this section. 64.236.245.243 (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why do we have three photographs of Infosys?

They are doubtless impressive but Pune is hardly known for Infosys. I'm removing the one above the map since it serves no useful purpose.

Mukul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukul2u (talk • contribs) 16:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What I'm Doing

Hi everybody,

Just to explain what I'm trying to do with this article, how I will be working on it; please feel free to chime in, either here or on the article itself:

  1. Clean up the article as far as possible without deleting anything. We'll end up with a huge, but hopefully well-written, article.
  2. Move the really big sections into their own pages. History of Pune is definitely coming; we already have lists of colleges and universities in Pune, so moving content there should help shrink this article down to a more reasonable size.
  3. Once the big sections have been compressed, we'll do a cleanup of the whole article again, improve the writing quality and encyclopaedic language.
  4. Through all this, and especially after step 3, the quality of this article will have to be maintained. Many contributors aren't familiar with Wiki syntax and conventions. Their contributions will have to be edited to maintain a consistent tone. Additions to sections with spin-off articles (e.g. List of colleges in Pune) might be moved to the spin-off article rather than cluttering up the Pune article.
  5. Of course, many of these contributions will extremely valuable, particularly those with citations and references. We will also have to build up references (Mumbai has 71, while Pune only has 19!), assemble other interesting information, find good photographs for this article.
  6. Polish, polish, polish, all the way to featured article!

Well, of course, that's my plan for now. Plans can and do change, and I'm sure you guys will have fantastic suggestions to help us along. If there's a major problem with the above, please let me know. Otherwise, join in! I for one think this article could be much, much, much better than it is right now.

Suggested by Gaurav (talk) 18:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] lock the page?

hi folks,

can we please request the pune page to be protected i.e. only registered users can make edits?

it is very hard to come back to this page every 2 months and track down which version had some section that was deleted by some vandal, and then buried by someone who added something but did not revert the vandalism.

i am saying this because IP address 59.95.52.179 deleted the entire transport section and i had to go back >50 versions to find the missing material.

thanks --ti 16:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi ti. I think locking the page is really a measure of last resort on Wikipedia, the editing of pages being the site's biggest USP. Popular pages like Pune will attract lots of helpful people who fix a spelling or add a helpful sentence, and plenty of others who will add their own photos (dimly lit people dancing under bright lights - encyclopaedic?), their own colleges, and - what really gets my goat - redundant information which is already mentioned elsewhere on the page. The "Wikipedia" solution would be to have people watching the page; I try, but when too many semi-sensible edits I don't approve of pile up, I usually sit back for a while and let the vox populi figure it out, before swooping in to clean up entire sections at a go.
As an aside, I did notice the transport section vanishing, but as I tacitly approved - I think this article has grown far too big for its own good - I left it alone. As an inclusionist, though, I'm pretty ambivalent to whether the section is in or not, as long as it's well written, so I'm not going to revert your reinsert or anything. Besides, your moving the peths out of the main article has really given us a lot of space to work with, and improved the flow of the article in general: the transport sections "fits" much better now than it did earlier.
I'm also hoping that the better the article gets, the fewer semi-nonsense edits will occur on it. Right now, many sections are bad enough that people feel adding a word or a line is an improvement, and I'm not going to disagree with them. Once the entire article and all sections are well-written, nicely laid out and self-consistant, it's going to be harder to make an edit which improves the article, making it easier for us, the Watchers, to distinguish between a well-meaning but badly written edit (I'm a big believer in WP:FAITH) and outright vandalism.
So, in summary: we need more people to watch and work on this article, I don't think locking the page is the answer, and I'm really glad somebody else is watching the page as well. =)
Gaurav (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Gaurav, i agree with your insight. as long as a few of us are watching the (or for that many article), one of us will take note when a whole section goes missing again! :-) --ti 15:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] put economy, climate first ,then history..

god knows who is deleteing this constrcutive changes everyday? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.215.11 (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi 203.99.215.11,
First off, welcome to Wikipedia! It'll be a lot easier for us to discuss changes to this and other pages you work on if you create an account - you just need an e-mail address and a password. Having a presence in the community will help distinguish your changes from anonymous editors, who usually make small changes rather than large-scale reorganizations like you are doing, and will let the other editors on Pune work together to resolve our differences, and make this - and all other Wikipedia articles - are great as possible.
Putting the history of the city first has a long precedent on Wikipedia, as reflected in articles on Mumbai, London, New York City, Kolkatta and Moscow. I feel that it introduces people to the past before diving into the present of the city. The current "History" section does, I think, a good job in summarising the history of the city and would give people an idea about where Pune is situated - within the history of Maharashtra and India - before reading about where Pune is situated economically and geographically, for instance.
Also, in my opinion, the "Economy" section is grossly oversized, and trimming it back would help. As it stands, it's almost entirely a list of company names. This encourages individual editors to add their own companies to the list (something which hasn't happened since I cleaned up that section, praise the heavens), and fails to give any real information to people who do not know about these companies. If somebody were to wipe out the Economy section, and replace it with a few paragraphs - with citations! - about the sectors currently prominent in Pune, with a few companies as illustration, economic sectors which are coming to the fore, and those which are being encouraged - whether successfully or otherwise - by the local and state governments, I wouldn't be at all displeased.
I'm not a big fan of the climate section, either, but I guess that it - along with geographical information - are essential to explaining the place.
In short: welcome to Wikipedia, and I hope you stay; I think the previous order is the better one, but if you've got good arguments why it isn't, I'll be glad to hear it; and I wish somebody would rewrite the economy section - but only if they have real, meaningful, cited information to contribute.
cheers, Gaurav (talk) 09:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


hi 203.99.215.11, the Pune article is being structured with guidelines from wp:WikiProject Indian cities, see the top of this talk page. maybe you should take your point there. --ti 17:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)