Talk:Puerto Ricans in the United States

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An earlier version of this entry appeared as the introduction to my, Angelo Falcón, Atlas of Stateside Puerto Ricans (Washington, DC: Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration, 2004), which is not copyrighted.

This was submitted as part of the resolution of the problem of the "Puerto Rican" and "Portorican" entries that it was suggested should be merged. The two entries are too much of a mess to accomplish this easily, so I thought this might be an easier solution.Prpolicy 08:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Nations with larger exile populations than native

The entry, as it reads now, says:

To give a sense of the scale of this Puerto Rican demographic development, the only comparable situation would be that of the Irish, which is so atypical that it underscores the uniqueness of the Puerto Rican case. As a result of the catastrophic potato famine of the 19th century and other developments, today the Irish-American population is close to 6 times (594.7 percent) that of the combined populations of Ireland and Northern Ireland. (Census Bureau 2004b).

I can add another example from the Demographics of Cape Verde. The population of the actual Republic of Cape Verde is around 420,000, yet according to that article, this is little more than a third of the worldwide Cape Verdean population.

That's just the one example I'm familiar with. I do not doubt that more such examples could be easily found with some research, which makes this claim of uniqueness hard to entertain. Sacundim 08:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response: This Article was in reference to the U.S. and not Worldwide

The only problem with your comment is that this article is only making reference to migrations to the United States, not worldwide. What you are discussing is a whole other question that should probably be the subject of a separate article. Prpolicy 13:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

That's true. Although it seems like there are Pacific Islander American communities that outnumber the island they come from, but I'm not sure. Also aren't all Puerto Ricans "in the United States?" (I curiously read someone once complain about Puerto Ricans in connection with complaints about illegal immigration. Someone informed him Puerto Rico is a US Commonwealth, as such there are no "illegal Puerto Rican immigrants" in the way he meant, and he was quite embarrassed)--T. Anthony 08:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gallos Marruecos

I have heard some people call stateside puertoricans Gallos Marruecos, but I do not know what they mean by that.

I never heard that reference. Isn't Marruecos Spanish for Morocco? Prpolicy 03:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is, but I checked again and it was more of a joke or insult among some people from the island. A "gallo marrueco" is a fighting cock that doesn't fight very well.

I think the joke means that third generation Puertoricans or people who claim to be puertorican but have never been to the island that live in the United States aren't very puertorican when you think about it.

Kinda confusing. -- signed by anon IP

Marruecos is another spelling for the Spanish slang "Morochos", also the term is strongly used in the Mexican immigrant community. Oddly, the term came from medieval Spanish spoken back in Spain during the 16th century to mean a Moor ( an "Arabic" person from Morocco or North Africa, whom were darker-looking than European spaniards and are primarily Muslims, the religion went into extinction by the Spanish Inquisition to do away with non-Catholic Christian minorities).

The new meaning of "marrueco/morocho" means an underclass element, born and raised in America but not assimilated, treated like "dark people" among white Anglos and descendants of rural peasants whom had to leave their homeland long ago for prosperity not yet fully acheived.

I live in southern Cal. where the main Hispanic group are Mexicans, but Central and South Americans as well, and even Cubans and Puerto Ricans reside in the west coast. I've knew the fastest-growing Puerto Rican (and Cuban American) community is actually Palm Desert and Palm Springs, Cal. probably they became more upper-middle class or followed the path of other ethnic "white" groups known to live in the Coachella Valley Cal. in high numbers. (Irish, German, Italian, Polish, Jewish and Armenians).

But to be Puerto Rican in the US, even they are born/raised in America, they aren't treated fairly and disadvantaged from illegal subliminal acts of racial/ethnic discrimination, because they are "Hispanics"/"Latinos" and the often exagerated myth of Puerto Ricans, are "black people" but not all have African ancestry. 63.3.14.129 22:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality scale in project template

It was set to "A". Without getting into my own comments about it, this is incorrect because "B" is usually the highest quality given to an article without Peer-review or QA/FA evaluation. This article has not been subjected to any formal review, and hence setting it to "A" is highly unusual and frowned upon. Please do not restore to A until a formal review process determines that is indeed A level.

That said, this article suffers from a lack of sources, a lot of original research, and a certain lack of encyclopedic voice that make it a rather bad quality article by wikipedia policy and guidelines. Only reason I give it a B instead of a Start is because it is an extensive article, and some of the content is good. This article needs a good fix up, specially because of its importance to the project. Thanks!--Cerejota 07:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  !What?! Puerto Ricans a separate race?!

Puerto Ricans are not a separate race and this is as racist as saying the Jewish, or any other group from a country are such just because they come from that country. In Puerto Rico the breakdown is as follows: white (mostly Spanish origin) 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9% [[1]] "Referencing "The CIA World Fact Book" The OFFICIAL Puerto Rican Census and the OFFICIAL United States census for the Puerto Ricans in the U.S. recognizes them NOT as a separate race, but either as a White Hispanic, Black Hispanic, Native American Hispanic or Asian Hispanic. This should be corrected as soon as possible to avoid being targeted by hate groups. Isolating Puerto Ricans as a separate race is outrageous just because their primary language is Spanish, (only in Puerto Rico at that)or because their culture is different (mainly in Puerto Rico). Just about everyone who migrated to the continental U.S. spoke a different language and had different customs in their home countries. To single out Puerto Ricans or just Spanish speakers is pure discrimination.70.5.241.54 23:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Puerto Rican Labour Migration

Hi all! I am a student at the University of Toronto, and as a part of the term project, my group, Latin America, are to add or edited existing pages on Wikipedia. My interest in the Puerto Rican Diaspora, has allowed me to focus on Puerto Rican Migration to the United States, the grander scheme being typically labour migration. I thought this posting could be of swome value to the article. If there are any suggestions or concerns, could you please let me know before deleting it. Thank you!--domenicdemasi (talk) 21:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rican American: Ricky Martin?

The infobox includes Ricky Martin as a Puerto Rican American. Someone please explain why before I take it off. The other three mentioned are OK since they were not born in Puerto Rico but have Puerto Rican heritage. Ricky Martin was born in Puerto Rico. ~RayLast «Talk!» 18:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Because like any other 'X American' ethnonym, it applies to people who are long-term residents of the US, not just the native-born. SamEV (talk) 02:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Are you sure? Because the Puerto Rican People page seems to separate PR-born from USA-born folks. Can we get further clarification about the difference between the two categories? Aristophanes68 (talk) 05:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Puerto Rican-American is the term used for Puerto Ricans born in the United States, it is not correct to label someone as such just because they have lived in the US for a while, in the same manner that Puerto Ricans living in other countries aren't refered to as Puerto Rican-[country's nationality]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
My point exactly. ~RayLast «Talk!» 13:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm 100% sure, Aristophanes.
Sorry I missed your replies till now. That happens often to me.
I remind everyone that because you can't write just what you think is the definition of Puerto Rican American, you have to rely on reliable sources. The article gives this source, which states as follows: "Because of the Puerto Rico's commonwealth status, Puerto Ricans are born as natural American citizens. Therefore all Puerto Ricans, whether born on the island or the mainland, are Puerto Rican Americans ... Since Puerto Ricans are American citizens, they are considered U.S. migrants as opposed to foreign immigrants."
Even more, per the current title of this article, it is outright baffling that any island-born Puerto Rican should be excluded, as the title, if anything, could be interpreted to mean 'people from Puerto Rico in the United States'; after all, what on earth is a "Puerto Rican" if not someone BORN in Puerto Rico, to Puerto Rican parents?!
Above all, the Census Bureau, on whose data this article relies, includes under the rubric of "Puerto Rican" all people who indicate this ancestry, whether they were island- or stateside-born, and considers them all to be native-born Americans: "The Foreign Born were not U.S. citizens at birth. Natives were born in the United States or a U.S. Island Area such as Puerto Rico, or born abroad of a U.S. citizen parent.")[2]
Another problem is this: the definition implies that "Stateside Puerto Ricans" means "Stateside-born Puerto Ricans", and similarly for "mainland Puerto Ricans". If you want this article to be solely about mainland (or Stateside)-born Puerto Ricans, then change its title to "Mainland (or Stateside)-born Puerto Ricans". SamEV (talk) 06:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I just feel that people that have lived outside the 50 U.S states are not "American" nationality, even if they live there and basically feel that ricky martin isnt a good example of being PR-American & didnt leave PR till he was 18 and had to learn english as a "second language", even thought its co-official. Noone ever calls him and "American singer". The 'United States territory' issue doesnt help. In this YouTube clip one girl even clearly states that she feels not american but Puerto Rican, about 2mins in. YouTube:Puerto Rico: The 51st State? 217.42.140.115 (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Such anecdotal, non-expert opinions are not what good articles are made of. SamEV (talk) 23:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unencyclopedic tone

The article as a whole has a highly unencyclopedic tone, seeming to be trying to make a point and ending with a recommendation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Puertorican or American or Puerto Rican American

I see some users are edit warring and changing the person's affiliatetion from Puertorican to American as with Alexis Ríos. I have assumed WP:BOLD and have changed on the article to Puerto Rican American, which means Purtarican heritage but born in America. Can I recommend that the rest of the articles have Puerto Rican American in them as well, because it is more appropriate for everyone conserned and WP:NPOV Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 04:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense to anyone, but this article should be called Puerto Rican American. Kingturtle (talk) 22:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the title has been like this for a long time and should be the same as all the other "nationality"-American articles, this is to distinct the ones born in the 50 U.S states to an outside territory like PR, which doesnt use english as its mother tongue. It seems that in the US this is common to refer to one another with the first nationality like, Cuban, Irish,Italian etc.. especialy if theyre 2nd+ generation, even if they are born in the US, this still should be the same as all the other articles, its no different really. oh and i doubt many native-Puerto ricans call themselves 'american' often. Also why isnt there a "List of Puerto Rican Americans" like cubans etc..there is a distiction between the island ones and ones like Jennifer lopez who is not puerto rican but american like her twins.Sevillano (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)