Talk:Puddle jumper

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OOps i forgot to use the move link, sorry, i lost the history...--Zxcvbnm 19:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

1 Origin of Term
2 Dimensions of a Jumper?
3 Gene to fly?
4 The Definat One/wraith cloak-to-shield reference
5 Hyper drive and shields
6 Energy Weapon
7 Gateship
8 DHD
9 "Like a sieve"
10 Maintenance deletion
11 Intro
12 Fair use rationale for Image:Dhdjumper.jpg
13 Fair use
14 Fair use rationale for Image:Jumper4.jpg
15 Fair use rationale for Image:Jumper3.jpg

[edit] Origin of Term

Sorry to be the old man of the discussion. "Puddle Jumper" is a very old term for a light aircraft capable of utilizing small air strips and or lakes for commuting small distances. Literally a small plane that due to small distances traveled, was considered to be "jumping between puddles." The Old Allegheny Air (Now US Airlines) flew puddle jumpers for some routes, due to their history as an air mail carrier.

So the pun on Star gate puddles is certainly relevant. But given they were named by an Air force pilot, I would have to believe that the writers were also referring to the normal common use term of puddle jumper as used by western pilots. Some historical non fictional accuracy would be nice for the wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.39.189 (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions of a Jumper?

I know that they are 8m long, but what about from the flat bottom to the top, and from the widest point on both sides?

Where did the figure of 8m come from? As far as I know, the show's execs don't usually give out dimensions of ships.

Faris b 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know where the length came from, although they might mention it in "Thirty-Eight Minutes". In terms of height and maximum beam, we know its almost, but not quite as wide as the interior diameter of the stargate. 72.38.154.42 23:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gene to fly?

If I remember correctly, the gene is required to fly the Puddle Jumper at all. It's not a matter of requiring initialization. This is why Doctor Becket learned to fly it despite his lack of flight skills, since in an emergency, his having the gene may be more important than having a good pilot. (And the Ancient Technology Activation gene article lists the Jumper as one of the tech items that requires the gene for use.) Benabik 05:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Definat One/wraith cloak-to-shield reference

"However, on one occasion (The Defiant One), a wraith tampered with a jumper's controls thereby somehow generating a shield around it, causing Major John Sheppard to run into the vessel."

Is there any evidence in that episode that the shield was created by the jumper and not a device the Wraith brought with him? {unisnged}

We've never seen the wraith with shields before.MioTheGreat 13:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Right, it does seem backwards.... 12:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hyper drive and shields

if the ancients are so advanced how come then that the puddle jumpers can not go into hyper space or have any shields if they were designed for exploration you would think that they should have hyper drives so that they could reach othr planets quickly that dont have stargates.

they were designed to go through stargates, primarily for trading perhaps? then again one wonders why a race as advanced as the Lanteans needs to trade...

The Ancients built the Stargate networks to travel between the planets under their domain. Of course, in Pegasus, we have lots of orbital Stargates, made to restrict Wraith movement between worlds (if I recall correctly) so walking through a Stargate is out of the question. Thus the jumpers. Also, if the Ancients wanted to go to a non-Stargate planet, they DID have other ships with hyperdrives, not to mention the city-ships like Atlantis. Also, the puddle jumpers DO have shields. McKay figured out how to turn the city shield into a cloak, and the jumper cloaks into shields. This ability is taken advantage of during several episodes, the best example having just aired in Canada, 3x11 The Return Part 2. Sheppard and Zellanka (however you spell it) also use it to enable their jumper to dive deeper underwater to search for McKay (I think it's a season 2 episode). --The MAZZTer 23:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

They're not meant for trade either, they're basically armed shuttles, they're for ferrying the Ancient around their planet(s), basically their version of cars.

Faris b 20:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

...in other words: Nobody knows, all we know is that they hold several people, they fit through a Stargate and have several drones and that they are not FTL capable. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Very minor Atlantis spoiler... I'll try to keep it minimal. In 3x15 (only been aired in Canada, thank God for the Internet!) McKay invents a prototype hyperdrive for the jumpers. However it is only a computer simulation and no physical prototype has yet been built... considering McKay, at the end of the episode, possibly might no longer understand the simulation he wrote (watch the episode to find out why) the writers may choose to give this capability to Atlantis or not. --The MAZZTer 23:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Energy Weapon

The article says there is an energy weapon fired from the front of the craft. Upon closer inspection of the episode in question 08x13 It's Good to be King, the weapons seem to originate in the engine pods near where the drones are fired.

That episode was, if memory serves, the first appearance ever of a jumper on Stargate SG-1, but I suppose this was after they were introduced in Atlantis... I am positive in at least one episode of Atlantis the viewer can clearly see a forward section open and the weapon fire... perhaps it's Atlantis 1x01 or 1x02, and I'm sure something can be seen in season 2 and 3 episodes. It's likely the design was/is evolving, or the mismatched designs were done on purpose to show the jumper in SG-1 8x13 is an older model or simply made for a different galaxy (it would have to be, for the DHD part at least). In short... don't worry too much about it. :) --The MAZZTer 23:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gateship

In Part 2 of the Return, one of the Asurans refered to the Puddle Jumper the team used as a "gateship". Is it possible that this was what the Ancients called the ship? -- SFH 17:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely possible.. probably best that we don't consider renaming at the moment though.. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No, of course not, but mentioning it in the article might be relevant. -- SFH 17:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DHD

Have somebody notices that the DHD in the 2º and 3º type of console are (like the rest of the cockpit, not only the console) are different from the 1º, it can be seen that the enter button isnt pressed, but there is a light blue on (it can be turn on in echoes when they are underwater)also when Sheppard dial the milky way gate on the return he push 8 keys, the last one (which supposed to be the enter) was one on the right side. So what? the enter button is among the others and the new DHDs only have 35 symbols or what?.190.48.69.6 18:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Like a sieve"

Click click. I think it should be noted that the door was designed to keep air inside the cockpit area. In 38 Minutes, the pressurized/unpressurized sides would have been reversed, and this is something the door wasn't necessarily designed for. Although it's fairly clear (to me at least) at that point the writers had decided the door WOULD in fact leak like a sieve and later changed their minds to make it air-tight, I think this explanation helps fill in the minor plot hole better than the current possible explanation in the wiki entry.

... I feel like such a nerd now. :) --The MAZZTer 23:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I belive this is wrong anyway. From what I remember, the door would leak in 38 minutes because Rodney caused a slight thrust from the engines, pushing the jumper further into the gate, and causing the bottom of the door to enter the event horizon. Thus when the gate closed, the air would leak out though the hole. -- Trekker 16:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That was a later problem. When the jumper first got stuck, a suggestion was to wait out the 38 minutes (and give up on the guys inside the cockpit). Let them wormhole take the cockpit, leave the end section floating in space with the door shut, send another jumper to pick them up. That was when they said it would leak like a seive. The problem that the door had been breached by the event horizon happened later, when some salt water was flicked from Shepherd's neck onto the control crystals. Now I'm a nerd ;-) --17:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

"Puddle Jumper" is also a slang term for the smaller turboprop planes flown to smaller regional airports. I'm not sure how widespread the term is, but it's in fairly common usage in the Northern US (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan - each have lakes which would be flown over, for example). --ABQCat 20:19, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Where is the origin of the 4th defintion of the "Non-PC" Term? Just never heard of it and sounds like it belongs more in urbandictionary than wiki

[edit] Maintenance deletion

What exactly needs to be done with this page? Merged into/from where?--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 15:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

The intro is not written very well; a bit gobbledygook-ish...

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