Talk:Pub rock (UK)

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[edit] Punk Rock

Could this article become a subsection of Punk Rock?

Strongly disagree punk rock is probably too long already for other sections to be merged with it, if anything it needs to be broken down into seperate articles, not merged, plus pub rock is a completely seperate musical genre, even if pub rock was to some degree an antecedent of much of the early UK punk rock scene quercus robur 22:33, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I quite agree with my learned friend. Punk rock sounds nothing like pub rock.83.32.231.20 17:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Seconded - though there are obviously crossovers - clear distinction at the time even when punk came along, because people like Feelgoods and Kursaals were still going in parallel with punk. Although they and punk acts would often appear at the same venues, like the H&A, some people would go to one sort of gig, some to the other or some - like me - to both. But everyone knew which was which. So removing merge notice now, it's absurd... Tarquin Binary 19:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

new section

[edit] Death of the Scene

As far as I can tell, if you do what the author didn't and remove your head from the enormous .... ahem.. sandpit (would use stronger language, but..) that is London, knocking down well known pubs or turning them into houses isn't so much of a fashion as there isn't the same crazy population density or clamour for space - and the pub rock scene, though slightly morphed in flavour to fit the times, is still alive and well. Come to the midlands and give Birmingham (the centre, and the slightly further out regions, where such pubs with function rooms abound), Leicester, Peterborough, Coventry, etc a try. (pet hate is media types and entertainments writers getting hoodwinked into thinking there is no world and no life outside of the m25, when the majority of the uk population has never set foot inside it.. what if such a mindset had stifled the rise of merseybeat, or the madchester scene?)

of course, it's not the biggest thing going as it might have briefly been in the mid 70s, but that's arguably the entire point - its a very personal, up close "communion" kind of experience. it's been a long time since i've been able to get my act together and go out an enjoy a night in one of these places, but i'd certainly enjoy the opportunity to do so again, particularly with at least one favoured internet-based cottage-industry folky type band is doing the midlands pub rounds right now (as an exception to the above statement, i fear a previous haunt - the old railway, in duddeston (b'ham) - has probably been bulldozed to make way for the metal-and-glass white elephant that is the Millennium Point science centre and iMax cinema. If i'm lucky, it's still there nestled alongside, serving up choice cuts of local punk, metal and hard rock bands. long may it's dodgy acoustics distort on, if so)

82.36.132.148 00:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC) cheers, Tahrey

In your eagerness to slag off London, you have totally missed the point of the article. Yes, people go to gigs in pubs in London, just as they did. But firstly the piece is about the short historical phenomenon that was Pub Rock (geddit, caps? - note, not 'music played in pubs'). Pub Rock was a London/Essex creation, so your comments are utterly irrelevant. This is not to slag off your region (extraordinarily enough, Londoners are quite aware there is a world outside London. I find the petty-minded parochialism starts when you get outside the M25 - you're showing a lot of it, re-read what you wrote.)

But the conversion of good old pubs, many of which were great venues in the southeast, is a matter that concerns us down here, amusing as you may find it. Anyway, I would use stronger language about the 'sandpit' that you seem to be firmly rooted in, but I think prolonging a regional slagging match is quite unprofitable. In fact, I do regret not being able to give the Pub Rock venues in southern Essex in the late 70s enough credit - it needs someone who knew the Essex Pub Rock scene there to do that. Tarquin Binary 01:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Not to say Pub Rock didn't exist outside of London - I'm thinking of the Steve Gibbons Band and Ricky Cool and the Icebergs from Birmingham.