Talk:Psychokinesis/Archive 1

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Contents

Two useful changes in the works

1. I intend to create a new article for the lengthy Cultural references list on this talk page. I will then provide a standard "Main article" wiki link to the new list page at the top of the abbreviated list in the PK article. This is how it's down on all other wiki articles. To see examples of other list pages, do a wiki search for the phrase "cultural references." I will also put a link to the new list page on this talk page to keep people from adding new entries here. I will copy and paste the "to be researched section" to the talk page of the new list article.

Okay, I just finished creating the new page List of cultural references to psychokinesis and telekinesis. I moved all the appropriate material over to there and added some flags at the top regarding unsourced material. I will begin work on creating an Archive 1 of this page, but it may not be ready until after the Thanksgiving holiday. 5Q5 19:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

2. This talk page will then need to be archived. I will create an Archive 1 page (a new subpage), clear this page and provide a wiki link to the Archive 1 page at the top of this talk page. Basically, this talk page will look empty, except for a section with a link to the Archive 1 page. My plan is to do these things time permitting. Note the "too long" flag at the top of this page (see edit the entire page).5Q5 15:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Article and Talk Page Clean Up

A rewrite of the psychokinesis article occurred on July 16, 2006. Most of the comments here on this talk page no longer applied and were safely moved to the archive section to keep this discussion fresh. Thanks for everyone's understanding. Trying to keep it concise. 208.50.10.5 15:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  • At present it is severely lacking. Nothing more than a definition and a bunch of pop-culture trivia. DaveWF 04:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Where is the review, where is the archive? It looks as if someone just wiped this page because they felt like starting over. Liu Bei 03:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • To see the archive, click on the "history" tab at the top of this page or any page, scroll down to any past date you are interested in and click the date at that location. The archived page will come up with past entries. To see what changes were made, check the circle box for any history logged item and click the "compare selected versions" button" at the top or bottom of the page. The article page had I believe four different prominent flags at the top, including one requesting an "expert" in the field to do a complete rewrite, which I initiated with referenced sources. After the rewrite, a lot of the material on this discussion page, which was quite long, no longer applied and so were removed, which archived them. The article continues to be a work in progress. One must remember that skeptics (I am a member of a skeptics organization myself) are ready to edit any attempts at including an overly pro point-of-view on newly added history, past and current research, etc., sections, so even I am hesitant to waste my time composing such material, only to see it shot down by my fellow skeptic editors. So that is why there are a lot of links to other places where information can be obtained. Perhaps because PK/TK are not yet accepted fully by mainstream science, the article awaits a major breakthrough to complete it. 208.50.10.5 14:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

"That's Telekinesis, Kyle" quote - why I removed it - discussion

Regarding the submission below that was in the Quotes section that was removed Tues Aug 8, 2006:

"that's telekinesis, Kyle" — Tenacious D (1994-Present) Origin; Song: Wonderboy December 24, 2002

Don't you think, realistically, this line from the song Wonderboy by Tenacious D is not well known enough to be in the same class as the other three quotes presented? It doesn't really mean anything on its own. It only means something to the people who have heard the song, which arguably measures likely only in the many thousands. According to the above Wikipedia entry: "The song peaked at #34 in the UK and #48 in Australia."

There are many quotes using the word telekinesis from entertainment works. We don't include them, though. In the 1996 movie Phenomenon seen by millions worldwide, there's a famous scene where, after John Travolta's character makes a pen spin on a table top, Robert Duvall's physician character backs away slightly in his chair and says, "Whoa -- that's telekinesis." That scene was also used in advertising for the film. It's a much more famous quote than "That's telekinesis, Kyle." The song's complete lyrics can be found on this webpage: http://tenaciousd.lyrics.info/wonderboy.html.

A quote should have reached some sort of classic status appreciated by the masses before being included. A quote can become an instant classic, but, remember, this is supposed to be a scientific entry, not one overwhelmed by entertainment references. I propose that the original poster of the quote place it on the Wiki Wonderboy page, perhaps with the rest of the lyrics from the song, and then just place a link to that page in the See Also section in this PK/TK article. Sound good to everybody? 208.50.10.6 18:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ali2234 - Fair enough, you have a point, it's wikipedia so anyone can enter whatever they like and remove it freely; I won't do it again hehe.

External verifiability

There seem to be people editing the WIKI, who can not be bothered to read the guidelines. See Wikipedia:Verifiability, if you've not yet done so. The important point about material nominated for inclusion in the WIKI, is that it is EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. More so than being strictly true.

Now, I have read the Jon Ronson book, and watched the TV series. There is no doubt, through extensive interviews, that the claims made are well referenced, and conform to all WIKI guidelines on external verifiability. There is therefore no reason for reference to the 'goat lab' claims not to be made in the WIKI.

I also wonder if some of the above posters actually read the page before making comments / edits! What I wrote was 'Claims in this area.....' That is rather different to saying 'It is proven as a fact........' As to de-bleated, I told the person it probably should read 'sheared.' No big mystery.

(The book says they were indeed de-bleated, i.e. surgically rendered mute, to avoid calling attention to the existence of the goats and attracting the attention of the ASPCA. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

Please read the WIKI guidelines before making changes. The WIKI is a community project, and deleting something that is externally referenced, because you just don't happen to like it for some reason, is not proper etiquette. I'm not saying remote influencing is true, simply that there are detailed claims in this area, which as per WIKI editorial guidelines, can be legitimately referenced. Timharwoodx 20:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The goat issue is already on Wikipedia on Jon Ronson's page, the author who wrote the book on the subject. A link is provided to his page from this psychokinesis entry. There is also a separate entry for his book on Wikipedia, The Men Who Stare At Goats awaiting someone to write an article about the goats. Duplication of the subject here is unnecessary. The history of psychokinesis research goes back over 100 years. We cannot included everything ever written on the subject. No encyclopedia can or should. As I said, the goats can be found in two places already on Wiki and are linked here. I hope that's a reasonable position.
    • But do keep in mind that Wikipedia is not paper. We can put in as much high-quality, well-sourced, encyclopedic information as we can muster. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I have to respectfully disagree. When entries start to fill up, someone "locks" them (go look at the entry for George W. Bush). The role of an editor is to see that the best info is put in the least amount of space possible so that people don't get information overload. Note that Uri Geller and Nina Kulagina, two alleged superstars of PK and with tons of media material to cite, simply have a link to their own Wikipedia entries and are not given any special discussion in this PK article. All you have to do is write your material or book/research review on The Men Who Stare at Goats page, make sure it somehow pertains to PK or TK at least a little, and then add the link to the See Also section. 208.50.10.5 15:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Cultural references

Main article: List of cultural references to psychokinesis and telekinesis

Please do not add new entries to the list below! Add them to the main article at the above link.

A

  • Altered States (1980) was a movie about researching sensory deprivation with unintended mental power effects, such as shape-shifting, as experienced by actor William Hurt’s character and unintendedly, that of actress Blair Brown. Based on the novel by Paddy Chayefsky.
  • In the TV series Angel, the episode Untouched shows Bethany Chaulk, a telekinetic girl whose powers were developed due the trauma of being sexually abused by her father. Other characters of the Angel/Buffyverse, specially ghosts and witches, such as Willow Rosenberg and Amy Madison, display telekinetic powers.

B

  • Babylon 5 TV series, episode Mind War was about various psychic powers, including PK/TK. The last scene had the psychic character Talia Winters, played by Andrea Thompson, alone in her quarters on the space station moving an (ancient) U.S. penny an inch or so across a tabletop using telekinesis as a test to see if she had that advanced power. Also guest starred Walter Koenig of "Star Trek" fame.
  • In the classic TV series Bewitched, Samantha, played by Elizabeth Montgomery, and her daughter Tabitha, as witches, used telekinesis on occasion. The TV series inspired a theatrical film of the same title that starred Nicole Kidman and a spinoff TV series "Tabitha" that starred Lisa Hartman as the adult Tabitha.
  • Bible-based movies such as The Ten Commandments (1956) and Jesus of Nazareth (1977) usually include a display of divinely powered psychokinesis.
  • In Bionicle storyline, a Kanohi mask called Matatu allows the user the power to moved objects and beings for mind power.
  • In the TV series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, the episode "Twiki Is Missing" (1980) had actress Anne-Marie Martin with PK power.
  • In Buffy the Vampire Slayer, witches are shown to be telekinetic as a whole.

C

  • Movie: Carrie , the telekinetic high-school teenager played by Sissy Spacek. Based on the Stephen King novel. There was also a TV movie remake "Carrie," 2002 that starred Angela Bettis and Emilie de Ravin and a sequel "The Rage: Carrie 2."
  • In Charmed, telekinesis is a power possessed by most witches, warlocks, upper level demons and angels. Prue Halliwell and Paige Matthews are best known for having this charmed ability. (INCLUDED in main article)
  • On the French animated television series Code Lyoko, Yumi Ishiyama has the power of telekinesis in Lyoko.

D

  • In the Nickelodeon show Danny Phantom, the main character battles many ghosts with several Psychic abilities, including telekinesis.
  • In the Darkstalkers video game series, the vampire hunter Donovan Baine, and a young girl Anita who accompanies him, use telekinesis to a large extent. Donovan's main weapon is a giant spirit sword known as Dhylec, which he mostly wields with just the power of his mind.
  • In Destroy All Humans!, the Furons have the psychokinesis ability. This ability gives them an advantage in winning a war against a homeworld enemy.
  • Movie: Dreamscape (1984). It starred Dennis Quaid as one of two medical research center operatives who could enter a patient's fantasy-filled dream and affect the person physically for good or ill in the real world. Also starred Max von Sydow, Christopher Plummer, Eddie Albert (as the U.S. president), and Kate Capshaw.
  • In the Doctor Who episode "The Empty Child" a small boy who has been brought back to life by nanogenes has the power to close a door, make phone calls and set clockwork toys working with his mind.

E

  • In EarthBound, PK or PSI is the primary form of 'magic' in the game, however this variation also includes manipulation of full energy with the mind. EarthBound's PSI was popularized by the appearance of Ness in Nintendo's Super Smash Brothers series, whose special moves included PK Fire, PK Thunder, and later PK Flash.
  • In Elfen Lied, the diclonius species display telekinetic-like powers in the form of long, translucent arms called vectors.
  • Movies: Escape to Witch Mountain and Return from Witch Mountain. Two young children levitated objects. Disney films.
  • In E.T. The Extraterrestrial (1982), the title alien could make bicycles with their riders fly through the air.

F

  • In F.E.A.R., the silhouette we know as Alma was genetically engineered by the government to have vast, uncalculated amounts of psychic power. Among them are telekinesis and pyrokinesis.
  • In the movie Firestarter (1984), the child character played Drew Barrymore had pyrokinesis with fireballs directed by TK and her father used PK to make two of the villains blind. Based on the Stephen King novel.
  • 4D Man (1959). Two future"Star Trek" alumni, Robert Lansing and Lee Meriwether, star in this film about a serious research scientist who discovers a way to walk through walls using psychokinesis, ostensibly by speeding up the atoms in his body in space-time and slipping through. However, this caused a side effect of aging in the process. In the first minutes of the film, a pencil is successfully pushed through a block of metal. Later, accidentally, a hand is pushed through, which gets painfully stuck! Child actress Patty Duke also has a minor role in one of her earliest performances.
  • In Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood, the main character accidentally resurrects Jason Voorhees with her psycokinetic ability. In the end, she also uses her ability to fight him.
  • The Fury, a 1978 film about young people with deadly PK powers. It starred Kirk Douglas, Andrew Stevens, and Amy Irving.

G

  • In the Ghostbusters universe, ghosts and other supernatural creatures are composed of negatively charged psychokinetic energy. This energy, called PKE, was featured and mentioned extensively in both movies and animated series. Furthermore, the Ghostbusters developed a device called a PKE meter for the purpose of measuring the amount of psychokinetic energy in an area.
  • In the game series Golden Sun, the ability to use powers granted to the mind, ingame called "Psynergy", does exist. Adepts are naturally born knowing they have these powers, though, anyone can use them if they put their mind to it. Four kinds of psynergy exist, Venus (Earth), Mars (Fire), Jupiter (Wind), and Mercury (Water). Amongst these, the most notable is Jupiter and Mercury; Jupiter adepts are naturals at reading minds and being able to pick up on future events, and Mercury can heal through prayer and concentration. Venus have the ability to manipulate objects with their mind, giving them such powers as "Move" and teleporting "Retreat", while Mars can gain abilities that are a mixture of three, knowing "Move" and healing moves are natural to them.
  • In the Gundam meta-verse, there is a type of evolved human being known as a Newtype, predominantly in the Universal Century timeline. This happens when humanity begins to migrate to space, and to adapt to the new environment humanity begins to slowly evolve to adapt to space. Although Newtypes mostly exhibit enhanced senses and varying degree's of heightened mental awareness, they have sometimes performed amazing feats that are very Telekinetic. For example, the main protagonist of Zeta Gundam, Camille Vidan has his titular Mobile Suit perform far beyond its expected performance with the power of his mind during instances where he becomes deeply enraged. There are also Newtype only weapons known as "Funnels" which are psychically controlled modules which are used to remotely attack enemies mentally.

I

  • In the classic TV series I Dream of Jeannie, Jeannie, played by Barbara Eden, had TK abilities.

L

  • In the TV series Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, the series finale episode "The Family Hour" (1997) featured a big-headed villain named “Fat Head,” played by comedian Harry Anderson, who had TK powers.

M

  • In the Japanese manga Akira (and its subsequent animated film) telekinesis is a subject of secret government research, culminating in extremely powerful individuals such as the main antagonist, Tetsuo, and the titular character, Akira.
  • The title character in the 1936 movie The Man Who Could Work Miracles was given incredible PK powers by gods. Based on the short story by H.G. Wells. (INCLUDED in main article)
  • In the children's novel Matilda by Roald Dahl, the protagonist, Matilda Wormwood, develops telekinetic abilities as a result of untapped intellectual ability. (INCLUDED in main article)
  • Richard Burton played a man with telekinetic powers in the film The Medusa Touch. His character, Robert Morlar, has the ability to cause catastrophes and induce death with his mind alone. Also stars Lee Remick. A research scene in the film uses footage of Nina Kulagina.
  • In Metal Gear Solid, the main character, Solid Snake, does battle with Psycho Mantis, a member of FOXHOUND who has the powers of both telepathy and telekinesis. In Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, the character Fortune possesses both real and imagined psychokinetic abilities.
  • "Mind Killer" (1987) was a low budget movie with a PK plot. It starred Joe McDonald.
  • A young Courteney Cox played a telekinetic teenager in the short-lived TV series, Misfits of Science. Other characters had different powers.
  • Modern Problems, 1981, Chevy Chase is exposed to nuclear waste in this comedy and develops telekinesis. In one scene he makes a model airplane fly around.
  • Movie: Momentum) (2003), was about TK and starred Louis Gossett Jr, Teri Hatcher, and Grayson McCouch.
  • In the video game series Mortal Kombat the enigmatic ninja Ermac and the blind swordsman Kenshi can both use Telekinesis.
  • In the classic TV series My Favorite Martian, Uncle Martin (the Martian), pointed his finger to cause objects to move.

O

  • In the The Sixth Finger (1963) episode of the original Outer Limits, a scientist's experiment transforms actor David McCallum's character into a super-advanced human. One of his powers is telekinesis. In the fourth-season television episode "Monster" (1998) of the modern series, Harry Hamlin starred and it was about a group of government psychic assassins who could kill a human target anywhere in the world by watching him on live television and activating their PK ability in a jointly concentrated effort. Also, the fourth season episode "Josh" (1998) was about a man who had miraculous paranormal powers. In the opening scene a blonde reporter and her cameraman record footage of the 30-something man miraculously healing a collapsed man in the woods with the familiar hand-to-body light-glow effect. The footage is shown on the news, the man is captured by the government, and by episode's end, he is back in the woods rising into the sky. The narration and script overall posit the question, was this an alien god who returned to earth after 2,000 years? The character Josh was played by actor Alex McArthur.

P

  • Movie: "Patrick" (1978) a film with a PK plot that starred Robert Helpmann.
  • In the Phantasm movies, the Tall Man exhibits Psycokinetic abilities, often using them to trick or kill people. In Phantasm Oblivion, Mike gets psychokinetic abilities from the Sentinel Sphere embedded in his head. He tries to use these abilities to kill the Tall Man and fails.
  • Movie: Phenomenon (1996), John Travolta had telekinetic powers, making a pen spin, a book cover to open, and wooden boards move. A TV movie sequel "Phenomenon II" (2003) starred Christopher Shyer and Jill Clayburgh.
  • In the Pokémon game/show, many of the Pokémon wield telekinesis and many other psychic gifts.
  • Movie: Powder (1995). Profoundly white-skinned Sean Patrick Flanery had various psychic powers, including control over electromagetic forces.
  • In the Power Rangers universe, inhabitants of the planet KO-35 have innate telekinetic abilities.
  • In the video game Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy by Midway, Nick Scryer uses many different abilities to defeat enemies (pyrokinesis, telekinesis, etc.).
  • The Power was a 1968 movie about a group of scientisits with PK powers. It was based on the novel. Starred George Hamilton and Michael Rennie. French title: The War of the Brains.
  • Movie: "Project Human Weapon" (2000), was about TK and starred Judge Reinhold and William Zabka.
  • Movie: "Psychic Killer" (1975), a low budgeter that starred Jim Hutton (father of the actor Timothy Hutton) as a prison inmate who psychically teleports himself to the outside to seek revenge. Also starred Paul Burke, Julie Adams, and other familiar character actors.

R

  • Movie: The Rage: Carrie 2 (1999), a theatrical sequel to "Carrie" starring Emily Bergl as a telekinetic teen relative of the original Carrie.
  • Movie: Resurrection (1980), a film about a woman who develops miracle healing powers after a car accident. It starred Ellen Burstyn and Sam Shephard.*In the TV series Roswell (1999) and the book series on which it was based, all three young adult human-looking aliens had various types of psychokinetic powers.

S

  • Scanners was a 1981 film about people with deadly PK abilities. It starred Michael Ironside. There were numerous sequels: “Scanners II: The New Order” (1991), “Scanners III: The Takeover” (1992), “Scanner Cop” (1994), an “Scanners: The Showdown/aka Scanner Cop II.”
  • In the game Second Sight, the hero, some bad guys, and several children display various psycokinetic abilities.
  • In the TV show The Secret World of Alex Mack, Alexandra "Alex" Mack gains telekinesis after being drenched in the chemical GC-161.
  • In the Next-gen Sonic Game, SILVER, the hedgehog is a timetraveller with psychokinetic powers.
  • In the Philippine TV show SPIRITS, a boy named Red develops psychokinesis and levitation when exposed to a mysterious light from an alien source.
  • At the end of Andrei Tarkovsky's film Stalker (1979), the Stalker's young daughter is shown apparently moving objects across a table by telekinesis.
  • Various use in the TV show Stargate SG-1:
    • The Ori Priors in the TV show Stargate SG-1 have psychokinetic abilities that are strong enough to lift a man, or to hurl him several kilometers. Their abilities can be neutralized by specific sound frequencies which interrupt the function of highly evolved sections of their body.
    • The DNA resequencer can give any human or Ancient telekenisis in addition to other powers. Several characters in the show obtained telekenisis this way, including Khalek (who was given his abilities by Anubis), and several unamed villagers (who were given their abilities by Nirrti).
    • Ascended beings possess telekenisis.
  • In the movie Starman (1984) and the Starman (TV series) (1986) the alien visitor in the body of a human had the PK ability to heal and move objects.
  • Star Trek TV series episodes which featured TK/PK: Original series — Where No Man Has Gone Before (1966), Charlie X (1966), and Plato's Stepchildren (1968). The 1969 episode Whom Gods Destroy starred actor Steve Ihnat as a shape-shifting former starfleet captain Garth of Izar. The Next Generation — True Q (the word "telekinesis" is also specifically used by Q in the episode) and The Survivors (1989), which starred John Anderson as an alien who recreated his wife and home on a destroyed planet and who made an entire species of bad aliens, the Husnock, disappear.
  • In the TV show Static Shock, Madelyn Spaulding develops telekinesis after Static sends a surge of electricity through her brain.
  • In the fictional universe of Star Wars, Jedi have, among other powers, psychokinetic abilities due to their mastery of "the Force". (INCLUDED in main article)

T

  • TV series: The title character in the half-hour comedy Tabitha (1977), played by blonde-haired Lisa Hartman, had the powers of a witch, which included TK. This was a spinoff of the earlier TV series "Bewitched." Tabitha was Samantha's and Darren's half-human, half-witch daughter. In this comedy whe was an adult. In the original series, she was a baby who then grew into a young child during the show's run.
  • In Teen Titans, both Raven of the Titan team and Jinx of H.I.V.E. Academy wield telekinetic powers.
  • Movie: "The Tempest" (1982). Included scenes of psychic weather control. It starred John Cassavetes, Gina Rowlands, and Susan Sarandon. Based loosely on Shakespeare's play.
  • The Tomorrow People TV series features characters possessing psychokinetic abilities.
  • In the classic The Twilight Zone episode It's a Good Life (1961), the child character played by Billy Mumy had incredible psychoketic powers. He revived the character in a sequel episode of the new "Twilight Zone" titled "It's Still a Good Life" (2003). The original series episode The Mind and the Matter (1961) was about a man who developed strong PK.
  • Movie: Twitches. Twin teen witches had the power to move objects. Disney, based on the best selling series of children's books.

V

  • Vampires in popular fiction often have a form of telekinesis. Usually it is the older, more powerful vampires who exhibit this. Vampires usually acquire power the longer they stay alive. In Vampire: The Masquerade the Tremere Clan posseses the Rego Motus, a derivative of the Thaumaturgy discipline which lets them move objects in a psychokinetic fashion.

W

  • In the TV series Walker, Texas Ranger, an usual episode for this otherwise straight drama show titled "Brainchild" (1997) was about Walker rescuing a child who had TK powers from a research center.
  • In the anime Weiss Kreuz, Naoe Nagi of the assassin team Schwartz displayed psychokinetic abilities many times throughout the series.
  • Movie: The Witches of Eastwick. Jack Nicolson's character had telekinesis. The movie was based on the novel by John Updike.
  • In Witch Hunter Robin, certain witches have the power to control the movement of objects such as trash cans at will.

X

  • In the TV series The X-Files, Scully's baby, William, is shown in the two-part episode "Nothing Important Happening Here Today" to have telekinetic powers as he makes a mobile move that is hanging over his crib. Other PK/TK-related episodes (there may be more): "Shadows," "Fire," "Miracle Man," "Born Agian," 'Excelsius Dei," "D.P.O.," "Syzygy," and "Sunshine Days."
  • In X-Men, Jean Grey and many other mutants, such as Magneto and Kitty Pryde, have specialized telekinetic or psychokinetic abilities. (INCLUDED in main article)

Z

  • In Zapped! a teenage high school whiz kid discovers a formula for telekinetic powers and uses it for various mischief, including undressing girls, and in the sequel Zapped Again! a new generation of high school kids find the old potion and perform similar pranks.


PROPOSED ENTRIES TO BE RESEARCHED (by anyone):

  • Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. US TV series. There was an additional episode with a villain who had TK. He was part of a dup or trio of bad guys. The character actor who played him had a rough-looking face and typically played bad guys in minor roles. This was a larger role for him. Need episode title. 5Q5 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Space Precinct, UK TV series. There was a bug-like alien character in at least one episode who had TK abilities. Need episode title.5Q5 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Were there any episodes of Futurama or The Simpsons that had PK/TK in them? Maybe one of the Halloween episodes of the "The Simpsons"? 5Q5 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • In the movies Conan the Barbarian (1982) and Conan the Destroyer (1984), the Wizard character played by Asian actor Mako I am nearly certain had telekinetic power that he could summon by meditating briefly. Didn't he cause a stone dragon head secret chamber to open in the latter film? Need verification by someone who has the DVDs. 5Q5 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Cultural references list comments:

  • COMMENT: I'm in favor of keeping this extensive research list here on the discussion page. We should keep the list in the article brief with the best classic examples. Here, people can add to the list easily. Whoever initiated the above list apparently wishes to remain anonymous, so thanks to whomever included it. 208.50.10.5 15:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I alphabetized this list and included many new titles today. I suspect that if we included this longer list in the main article, our well-meaning, friendly flagger would add [citation needed] to every single entry or flag the entire section. :) Better to keep it here informally then for researchers, at least for now. It is rather overwhelming considering the lack of actual science input in the main article.5Q5 18:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
      • This list now looks like it qualifies to be placed on its own article page and then linked to from the PK main article's Cultural Reference section. Suggested article name: List of psychokinesis cultural references. That would free it from this talk page. I alphabetized this list and may do this one day when I get the time. In the meantime, if anybody wants to create the page, you've got my support. Remember to remove the bold "Included"s. 5Q5 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Clean-up Tag

Maybe the title can be cleaned up.100110100 00:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I originated the survey section in the article. A clean-up tag there is very prominent. Can you please address what the concern is? The report was published and made the news nationally in the U.S. and is available online, a pdf reference link is provided. Would any of these titles be better:

"Published survey - the public's belief in telekinesis - United States"

"Published survey on paranormal beliefs - telekinesis"

5Q5 15:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

    • The editor 100110100 who flagged the section above has not responded for further input, so I revised the section title to "Belief in telekinesis - published survey." This is similar to a section title for the wiki article paranormal. In a week, I'll delete (archive) this section, since it has been resolved. 5Q5 14:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Follow-up from 5Q5. Wiki editor Psyphics reverted my removal of this outdated resolved section (and did so without including an explanation on this page) because he is in favor of the archiving method of talk page management, even though there is already a built-in archive by clicking on the History tab and then clicking on any date to see an archived past page. An accepted Wiki alternative to creating a separate archive page is refactoring a talk page (see Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages), which I felt I was doing, and by giving advance notice of any proposed removal of outdated resolved content, and the chance for anyone to comment. Fine. If Psyphics wants an archive at some date, I will not interfere. By the way, over 90% of the main article as of this date was researched, referenced, and written by me under my registered username and prior to that using various IP numbers for computers I was using at the time. Thanks everybody for tweaking my hard work. It looks great. See also: Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. 5Q5 15:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Promotional links

I'm removing the following links because

a) on inspection they all appear to be essentially promotional in nature,

b) all are highly non-neutral,

c) none is even close to being an unbiased source of encyclopedic information, and

d) nobody has yet cited any good source or other objective criterion for determining who should count as a "noted individual in the PK / TK field."

Including a list like this would be like including a list of links to commercial websites of "noted Christian Science practitioners" in the Church of Christ, Scientist article, links to commercial websites of ophthalmologists offering LASIK treatments in the LASIK article, etc. Wikipedia is not a directory. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

    • I created the list and I see your point, so I support it's removal from the main article. The reason I included it, I guess, is that the article was pretty slim and those experts listed are known for being publicly available to media researchers to talk about the subject. There are many "Lists of... [scientists, etc.] as wiki entries, but not like "directories" with contact information. However, some of the people listed below (my name is not among them) have their own wiki articles, so they should be included on the "See also" list in the article: Loyd Auerbach, Stephen E. Braude, Jeffrey Mishlove, and Dean Radin. I'm taking a break from working on this page. Good luck stopping the vandals. 5Q5 19:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Agree with putting them in "see also," which I've just done. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Names and official websites of noted individuals in the PK / TK field

  • Loyd Auerbach (California, USA) parapsychologist; author of the book Mind Over Matter.
  • Stephen E. Braude (USA) parapsychologist; author of the book ESP and Psychokinesis: A Philosphical Examination.
  • Pamela Rae Heath (California, USA) parapsychologist; author of the book The PK Zone: A Cross-Cultural Review of Psychokinesis.
  • Jack Houck (USA) aeronautical and astronautical engineer who founded the PK metal-bending parties.
  • Jeffrey Mishlove (USA) author of the book The PK Man: A True Story of Mind Over Matter.
  • Cynthia Sue Larson (USA) author of the book Reality Shifts: When Consciousness Changes the Physical World.
  • Dean Radin (USA) parapsychologist; author of the book The Conscious Universe.
  • Uri Geller (UK) a well-known claimant.
  • Dr. Joe Gallenberger (USA) Manifestation and Abundance through psychokinesis. Leads workshops throughout the USA and Europe.

Website Promotion Removed

I found "We must not believe in psychokinesis we would have understood. www.psychokinesis.it marmartino@psychokinesis.it martino martini" appended to the section regarding Baylor's paranormal and PK study.

As far as I can tell, it neither pertains to the Baylor article nor meets Wikipedia's standards. This is my first time editing Wikipedia, so please fix it if I've made an error. Thank you.