Talk:Psalm 91

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Contents 1 2 Authorship; Moses; "Psalm 91" band 2.1 Moses 2.2 Psalm 91 band

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Something should really be done about the "Scottish Psalter" part. Obviously this article was started by someone who belongs to a church community which uses said text, but it's hardly unique to that community. This reference should be removed, in order to universalize the article itself.Sigil7 01:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

^^Nevermind, I went back and deleted it.Sigil7 01:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Psalm 91 Explains on how we are fully protected under God's protection. A lengthy chapter but very useful in our everyday life.

[edit] Authorship; Moses; "Psalm 91" band

An editor who seems not to have a Wikipedia identity, but merely an IP address 'Special:Contributions/80.5.101.73' (and a couple of other IPs earlier on), is repeatedly making a couple of edits to this article (and so far only this article). He/she seems to be promoting two things:

1. a conviction, not (yet) backed by scholarly references, that Moses was the author of Psalm 91;
2. a supposedly "well known christian band from England".

See several instances of his/her revisions such as this one.

This 'Talk' section and its two subsections are for discussing these issues, with the hope of reaching consensus.

I am (again) removing the references from the main article, because the claim is (so far) unverified and supported, and the band reference appears irrelevant and inaccurate; I ask that our '80.5.101.73' contributor does not re-instate them, please, until agreement has been achieved.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moses

A scan across Google's returned items about 'Psalm 91' and 'Moses' quickly suggests a common consensus against any definite conclusion, although a case can be made for considering the possibility.

I propose that we insert a pointer to the general Psalm#Authorship and ascriptions article of the form:

As with many psalms, the authorship is unknown or uncertain.

If our '80.5.101.73' contributor wants to state his/her case for Moses, then we could add something like:

..., although Moses has been suggested by XXX

and replacing XXX by a citation to reputable scholarly research: "Professor Some One at University of Somewhere in his book YYY or peer-reviewed paper ZZZ", as per Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources. That should be straightforward for him/her to do, as he/she already claims to know of such scholarship in this revision. Please could you provide such references or citations? I am happy to offer to wiki-format them for you if you wish.

1 According to the new Jerusalem bible + N.I.V, Moses was the writer of psalm 90. "The Telmud writers consider that when the author's name is not mentioned we may assign the Psalm to the last named writer; and, if so, this is another Psalm of Moses, the man of God. Many expressions here used are similar to those of Moses in Deuteronomy, and the internal evidence, from the peculiar idioms, would point towards him as the composer." (bibleinsong.com) But more importantly, According to the Bible of the Ethiopian's that is contained within the Church of St. George, Lalibela psalm 90 + 91 both writen by Moses 2 Fact Psalm 91 is a christian band from England 3 Also saturday is the sabbath —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.101.73 (talk) 01:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

80.5.101.73/80.7.101.73 (please get an account, only takes a minute, and it's easier to refer to you by a name!), bibleinsong.com is not an academic or peer-reviewed or scholarly reference in any way. Nor is hearsay of what some obscure bible in some Church of St. George might say.

Psalm 91 might also be the name of a Christian band in England, I don't know, I'm not from there, but it's not really relevant to this article on the Biblical text. If this band is really famous and truly notable, then they should have their own page on here "Psalm 91 (musical group)" or somethign similar, and there should be a disambiguation page.

I don't know what "Saturday is the sabbath" has to do with anything. That has been a minority viewpoint in Christian circles, mostly held by Seventh-Day Adventists. Either way, it's not relevant to the discussion at hand, and I don't understand why you added that. Sigil7 (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psalm 91 band

Wikipedia is not the place for someone (whether me or '80.7.101.73' or anyone else) to promote own views or material or hobbies or activities: see Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not.

This article is about the scripture 'Psalm 91'. It is not about promoting a pop group (whether Christian, atheist or anything else) simply because it shares the article's name. Wikipedia:External links indicates that any external links from a Wikipedia article must be directly relevant to the content of the article: "no page should be linked ... unless its inclusion is justified".

I would invite '80.2.101.73' to mention below, please, the direct relevance of the band's name to the material content of the 'Psalm 91' scripture article.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

No one--academic or otherwise--seriously thinks that Moses is the author of Psalm 91. Traditionally, the psalms are ascribed to David, and Moses would've been dead centuries before that. As modern biblical scholarship doesn't even attribute many--if any--of the "a psalm of David" to the historical David, there is certainly no reason to attribute it to Moses. The website that IP user linked to on here was someone's personal reflection webpage, not a serious academic or peer-reviewed scholarship. Sigil7 (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigil7 Can I ask what Bible you read from because I have checked with 5 Bibles and all of them make the claim that Moses was 100% the writer of psalm 90 and 2 go on to link it directly with psalm 91 ? And they were all translated by 100s of academic scholars ??? or are they all wrong sigil7 ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.101.73 (talk) 02:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I think you mean the fact that Psalm 90 (not 91) is sometimes referred to as the 'prayer of Moses', as in the fact that the text of the psalm is a poetic/hymnic rendering of the piety of Moses. The psalms themselves were written hundreds of years after Moses' death, everyone--from liberals to fundamentalists--admits that... Whatever bibles you may be reading, I think you've misunderstood what the commentators have written in those bibles. Please provide the titles and bibliographic information, page numbers, and names of those scholars, so that we can check out the references and make sure you're reading them properly.

Either way, Wikipedia is not for you to add your interpretations or unsourced attributions. If you have solid references, write about them here on the Talk page and through discussion with the other people who edit this page, let's find a consensus here.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you are acting in good faith. This is despite the fact that you are editing from an IP address, not a user account, and have accused people here of being "worse than a devil to stand in the way of the truth of the God of abraham. Why don't you do your research before God disciplines you now" These are not the kinds of statements by a user acting in good faith here. Please be courteous in your writing here. Such behavior has caused people to be blocked from editing here in the past.

Lastly, please do not edit other people's comments on the Talk page, such as altering your IP address in Feline's comments above.

Sigil7 (talk) 05:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually he/she did more than just edit IP numbers. See this consecutive triple-edit (ignore the inextricably intertwined IP number bits). That rather alters what I originally wrote.

To our anonymous IP contributor. 'Talk' pages are, by their very nature, discussions among various people. Their 'Talk' contributions are identifiable and signed. Whatever one person may think of another's views, those signed 'Talk' contributions should be allowed to stand as they are. Unlike in a main Wikipedia article, in a 'Talk' page, someone's earlier statements should not be amended by someone else.

I would ask you, please, not to edit other people's signed comments on this (or any) 'Talk' page. Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)