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and initiated by the Landsmannschaft Ostpreußen and Landsmannschaft Schlesien Is it real fact? I heard that the organisations stated it is private business of its members?Cautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The GMBH name would suggest it... Halibutt 12:13, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

for Prussian property as far as I am concerned, they try to claim private not Prussian propertyCautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

from Eastern Germany the legal basis for the claims is setup on top of recongnizing existing borders. (if the area belongs to Germany, they should sue German government). Putting territorial revisionism in such a context makes no sense Cautious 08:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yup, from what I see at their page they propose some sort of restitution on a legal basis, so speaking of Eastern Germany is out of the question. Halibutt 12:13, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

According to their website they don't seek financial "compensation" but will only accept the return of their indiviudal property.

[edit] Dispute

Article is clearly pro-PCS. POV prevailing propably even in Germany is its claims are quite ridiculous and extreme, and that has to be addresed. And not this way: "red chancellor" - he is communist? Does any signifficant party stated it would support PCS? And more - IMHO Schröder not only stated government would not support PCS claims, but actively form Polish-German team of lawyers to tear apart PCS claims.

"from Germans expelled from Eastern Germany, after it was occupied by Stalin and transferred to Poland, Czechoslovakia and other states."

Either nonsense or quite extreme POV (Lebensraum). Exactly what part of Bohemia is Eastern Germany? What was occupied by Stalin? Did the parts of Poland occupied by Soviets belonged to Eastern Germany?

==> Pomerania, Silesia, Eastern Brandenburg, West and East Prussia had been German for hundreds of years before they were annexed and ethically cleansed by Poland and the USSR. The Sudetenland is the German-speaking part of Bohemia and Marovia, from where the native population was expelled to what is today the Federal Republic of Germany and Austria.

"However, German politicans stated that the Polish claim was ridiculous and had no legal basis." "Also, German claims against Poland would be much larger than Polish claims against Germany."

Any evidence? --Wikimol 08:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I asked Hajduk about it on his talk page. I'm still waiting for his reply though. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 12:04, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

Am I reading the article wrong? In my understanding it is rather clear, that the claims of the Treuhand are generally thought to be irrevelant and its activities unwelcome. Must this be formulated even more clear, or why is there a NPOV warning? --Pjacobi 11:04, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

It definatley should be formulated more clear. The "Treuhand" has no official backing in Germany (although some politicans like to kiss up to them from time to time) and is generally seen as a bunch of annoying whackos who just can't let begone be begones. --Dwightman 18:33, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

It should also be pointed out that despite the Sejm's resolution the Polish government dismissed the issue of "pressing charges for war reparations against Germany". --Dwightman 18:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

The current Polish president supports the Polish Claims Society against Germany.

I have edited the article for accuracy/NPOV drawing partly on the corresponding German Wikipedia article. Can we nail down what remaining disputed points (if any) are so we can make the article undisputed? Tschild 21:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prussian Trust

Is this the company of the "Prussian Trust" as both seem to be based in Düsseldorf? See:

Prussian Trust (German organization) -- Encyclopaedia Britannica
Clare Murphy WWII expulsions spectre lives on BBC online 2 August, 2004
Poles Angered by German WWII Compensation Claims SPIEGEL Blog December 18, 2006 --Philip Baird Shearer 13:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The SPIEGEL Blog translates Preussische Treuhand as "Prussian Trust" A google search returns:

about 182 English pages for "Prussian Claims Society" -wikipedia.
about 315 English pages for "Prussian Trust" -wikipedia.

As both the Spiegle and the BBC uses the term "Prussian Trust" perhapse this page should be moved.

Then again the BBC has only 2 article and the other later one uses "Prussian Claims Society" (Germans and Poles settle WWII row Monday, 27 September, 2004) --Philip Baird Shearer 14:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

After thinking about the naming issue for a day or two as both the German Foreign office and the Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs have both referred to the organisation as the Prussian Trust, this year (2007):