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[edit] Queen Min

Hey Dan, can you read this? Objectman 06:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Please write "yes" at here if you can read this. Objectman 09:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I can read this. Not someplace I'd look ordinarily, but here I am...--Dan 15:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I did not understand well meaning that you wrote to the "Talk:Empress Myeongseong" in 04:11, 7 June 2006. Please write once again in Korean. Objectman 22:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'll try - this may take a few days, though, and it may be challenging to type in Hangul. Maybe I'll try an English explanation first. --Dan 15:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks.Objectman 14:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


Im kinda new to this thng. I hope this is the place to leave comments.

Thank you for your support! =) I'm sure in the end, everything will end up fine.

And of course I will help you with your Empress Sunjeong page. It'll be my pleasure.

- the//powderoom//

Yup, this is a good place. One concern I have, and please don't take this wrong - that Queen Min article is so well-done I am in need of reassurance that it's not from something that's copyrighted. It's not, is it? Because it's really very well done. Other than that, some citations would be useful - there's some material there that's new to me. --Dan 18:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No, don't worry about it. I wrote that text myself with the aid of many books but none of it was copied word for word.

I'm in the process at the moment trying to shorten everything. I had a second copy that completed more than halfway of her life but Wiki wouldn't accept it. It was too long or something. So, I'm going to have to just shorten a lot of stuff.

And thanks for correcting the grammar! I appreciate it! I often make a lot of mistakes and I can get clumsy with words and phrases often so its nice someone can check up on that.

- the powederoom

I edited the beginning introduction paragraphs of the Myeongseong page again. I was reading through some other talk pages that related to Japanese-Korean relations and some of the things they said kind of got me just mad. They were just some mean things out there, and reading some of these pages on Japanese figures makes them sound like heros. So I read through past versions of the Myeongseong page and found one that had actually a really decent intro but apparently cut off because it made her sound like a hero? I inserted a few lines from that and incorporated it into something I wrote.

- the powederoom

Hi Dan, I've added the picture from KBS News. — Nrtm81 23:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

lol, I was writing on the discussion page when I remembered that photo. — Nrtm81 19:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just added a comment on Talk:Empress_Myeongseong#True_or_Fake_.3F_Myeongseong.27s_photo — Nrtm81 20:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Argh, the two pictures you got from Japanese books seem also to be of Sunjeong. The caption is "李王坧妃殿下" where the "坧" refers to Sunjeong zh:李坧 — Nrtm81 20:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, Emperor Sunjong... but one of his "princesses" so it can't be Queen Min, she was Gojong's "princess". — Nrtm81 20:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The bigger, standing photo has a date. Can you read it? Actually, I can read it, but it's not in western calendar - it's probably Japanese. --Dan 21:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I created an account just to say thank you. I am a Korean currently living in New Zealand. You have no idea how much I appreciate what you have done so far on the article of Queen min. Thank you so much. (I don't even know how to link my wiki user name. Ah well, it is wookie919).

How very kind of you to say so! Thank you. I will confess to a family motivation, my wife's great Aunt was Yoon Daebi and her g-g-aunt was Min Daebi. --Dan (talk) 18:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Min's direct Ancestors

Dan, can I ask something (concerning Myeongseong's lineage). I've seen the Korean wiki articles of Myeongseong, her father, and Inhyeon (Sukjong's wife, a Yeoheung Min). Here's what I've seen...

  • Myeongseong's relationship to Inhyeon - 명성황후의 5대조
  • Inhyeon's relationship to Min Chi-rok - 민유중의 5대손

May I ask, what does the hangeul mean? 'Cause I can sort of imply that they are 5th generation of something in their genealogy...

By the way, from my searchings here in wiki, Daebi is "Queen Mother". So what should be Myeongseong's correct title when she was invested as Queen of Joseon at 15?

Thanks...Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 15:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Heran, I'll have to check it. First guess is that it's not a generation but degree of relationship statement....for instance, my uncle (or my nephew) would be my 3 chon, my cousin is my 4 chon. I'm guessing that this is also a possible answer, but the language is not familiar; I'll need to ask my wife. By the way, there's only one Min Clan - the Yeohung part is superfluous. Daebi means dowager queen, and it's what most of the queens are called at some point - but at age 15? I'll have to look it up - remember, she had a ton of titles, some of them posthumous. --Dan (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks...Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
BTW, i only transliterated (using wiki's wiktionary) the individual chracters of her posthumous name...here goes...
孝 - 효 - Filial
慈 - 자 - Benevolent
元 - 원 - First
聖 - 성 - Holy
正 - 정 - Proper
化 - 화 - Change
合 - 합 - ???
天 - 천 - Heavenly
明成 - 명성 - Myeongseong (Brilliant Completer)
太皇后 - 태황후 - Grand Empress (correct title??? 'coz Ci Xi's final (so many titles given to her during her reign as Empress Dowager) title 皇太后 - 황태후 - Empress Dowager (wooo...shifting of the 太 태 syllable...)
Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

by the way, have you seen my entry regarding empress sunmyeong (sunjong's first consort) (down there)?Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Min's Descendant???

Dan, look at this I've posted in the discussion at Empress Myeongseong... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Empress_Myeongseong#Min.27s_Descendant.3F.3FHeran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hyanggyo

Not really -- see hyanggyo. The hyanggyo -- together with the Seonggyungwan and Sahak -- were state-run, in contrast to the seowon which were privately operated. They became progressively marginalized in the course of the Joseon period, as the seowon came increasingly to dominate education. Hope that is somewhat helpful. Cheers, -- Visviva 11:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GT's username?

Dan, please visit User:General Tojo and look at the article history. DFH 20:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Huh. He really doesn't like any questions, does he? Just flushes them. Makes you wonder why he would join in a cooperative venture like a wiki. --Dan 21:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
My sentiments exactly. (btw. I just looked up Monomania after observing that he has posted to no other article than PD.) DFH 16:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Also notable that he failed to see that even though the question was phrased specifically in relation to an official Wikipedia policy, he responded only as if the one who posted had taken personal offense. DFH 16:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
If you look at the braintalk threads where he gets challenged, he never speaks to a question, but is evasive and raises straw men, a pattern he's continuing here. --Dan 18:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Parkinson's Page

Hi Dan,

Thanks, yeah I know Keith. I spent a lot of time on Braintalk before I moved on to a different site, he got banned in the end. I suppose the weakness you and I have is that we haven't got time on our hands to micromanage every edit that goes on because frankly we've got lives. I would suggest that we draft in more support from some of the other projects to help keep an eye on things, I might request a peer review and we'll see what that does.

--PaulWicks 14:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, it's Jfdwolff. I'm the unfortunate admin who tried to mediate the chaos on Talk:Parkinson's disease. Your involvement would be appreciated, as the main point of contention is whether the "prognosis" paragraph is logically sound. And your marital arts skills may come in useful...
Would you have an opportunity to work on the methodology pages? At the moment we lack some vital articles in the field, and even those that we have are poorly written. JFW | T@lk 20:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, JF. Would that I could administer a beatdown or two! What methodology page is that? As long as we can keep it off Bridgeman's radar, I'm willing/ --Dan 03:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dan, you missed a hell of a week! KB can no longer edit Parkinson's disease with his dummy accounts. He needs to register and then wait 96 hours before he can do so, and if we pick him up doing nasty deeds he'll just get banned again and again and again. Hopefully he'll get bored and do something else with what appears to be a large array of spare time. Anyway, time to start the epidemiology section off again, please use referenes to pubmed or full-text articles. Cheers, --PaulWicks 08:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

General Tojo got civility burnout. Trolls usually go up in flames when challenged, but they leave scorchmarks. JFW | T@lk 18:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I just inserted the {{talkheader}} in the PD talk page. Let's hope this will do some good. DFH 14:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree this new contributor might be our friend GT but we should assume good faith until we have evidence to the contrary. I suggest we be as nice as humanly possible because when you do that the real GT quickly explodes and reveals his true colours... --PaulWicks 14:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Oooops - heheh. I guess I was a little short on nice with my last reply. Would you mind oiling the waters bit? --Dan 15:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I got confirmation back on my checkuser request and blocked/tagged all of them appropriately. --GraemeL (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, I'm pleased to say I think the forces of logic and wikilaw have won the day on this one. Thank you for all your hard work and patience over the past few weeks. I hope now we, as a group, can now concentrate our energies on the articles themselves and let the admins like Chris and JFW revert, ban, and bot GT until he gives up. I think we need to draw a line under discussions that address him directly as it just invites his further participation, stokes his sense of importance, and gets us all fired up. I think from his last tirade we can now see that no-one here can persuade him of anything. He's decided he knows all there is to know about PD and nothing will change his mind. I'm happy for him to continue writing his thoughts on his own forum where he can do what he likes, but I think we should all deny him the oxygen of attention. Would be interested in your views. --PaulWicks 19:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Paul, it looks like we can at least work on the PD page without constant interruption. Although honestly I think this guy is likely to continue harassing for some time to come, at least I think we can keep the article intact. I think the gentleman has some serious problems, and is willing to devote a lot of time to this - I fail to undertand why, given that he could put his own page up and be unquestioned king of all he surveys. I suppose we shouldn't feed the trolls or the cranks, but I've been poking him just a bit to demonstrate to others the man's lack of credibility. And thanks again - hope we didn't lose the other earlier editors altogether. And I hope you're keeping cool in London- here in LA it's blastedly hot (but it's dry heat, as the saying goes). --Dan 19:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan,

Good work on the PD talk page. I would support adding that to the main page and will endeavour to help you find more info if need be. --PaulWicks 21:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your potted biography

Dan, why did you move your text into the right hand userbox? It looked much better where it was before? DFH 12:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

See, I don't know what I'm doing, and haven't figured it out yet. What I want is for the text to flow in a column on the left, and the userboxes on the right. Can't quite figure out where the instructions are for doing that. --Dan 14:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty of making a few links in your text. You may wish to make others? DFH 14:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, David - would you know why I have a |} at the bottom of my userbox? Looks like I missed a punctuation mark somewhere, but I can't seem to spot it. --Dan 15:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I was trying to figure that out along with your primary objective to float the userboxes, but so far I haven't discovered the how to. Got interrupted since. btw. I won't be online tomorrow; got to drive a van to York & Stockton-on-Tees and back. DFH 15:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Enjoy your drive, see you then. Sounds as though you live somewhere near my ancestral stomping ground, [1] --Dan 18:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Tojo on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hi Dan,

I've opened up a case file on General Tojo at WP:ANI#General_Tojo. Feel free to comment there and hopefully we'll all get some relief from his attacks.

--  Netsnipe  (Talk)  18:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration requested against GT

Hi Dan, I've requested an arbitration committee look into General Tojo and I've nominated you as an involved person due to your work on the PD page and his personal attacks directed at you. Hope that's OK. Paul. --PaulWicks 16:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. I'm to the point of quitting this - after all, just had an article accepted at Movement Disorders & got a follow-up on the burner - who needs this? --Dan 16:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys ... I wanted to say I think you're doing the right thing by fighting General Tojo / Bridgeman. I wish I could help more, but med school is a little more time consuming than I'd like. I thought the GT problem had been solved a week ago and am a little surprised to come back and see his current incarnation, DiamondPlus is being tolerated. Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll be done with my pathology exam next week, so let me know if I can do anything to help then.--GeekPhilosopher 17:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I just now noticed you fixed the GT vandalism on my user page. Thanks! Seriously ... that guy is messed up.--GeekPhilosopher 17:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prof Johnson

Yup, that is where I saw him. I wanted to make sure all the vandalism is covered on the talk page.--Crossmr 19:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks...--Dan 19:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
RE: Johnson
If you think he's a sockpuppet, you should report him per WP:SOCK. That will help get gid of him and any of his other accounts, and serve as a foundation to keep him off using CheckUser results in the future. - CobaltBlueTony 19:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, of course Tony, but this guy is so prolific there's really no point much longer. Take a look at General Tojo sockpuppets if you have a free hour. --Dan 19:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Strike quickly and swiftly, and your enemies won't stand a chance! - CobaltBlueTony 20:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Cool! As a martial artist I appreciate the sentiment, although at my age sneakiness is more useful. Now if we could just find a way to spot any remaining puppets.....--Dan 02:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ham Seok-heon

hello, prof. i believe you requested this article? turns out it was hiding deep in the bowels of wikipedia. please feel free to add to it. thanks. Appleby 22:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Appleby - there's pllenty could be added. For instance, although names of Nobel Prize nominees are not released until 50 years after the fact, Hahm was nominated, sometime in the early 80s. --Dan 22:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tojo

FYI, I have expanded Wikipedia:Long term abuse/General Tojo. Adding his hometown seems to have hit a nerve, since he even vandalized his own vandalism using five different IP's/Usernames. I also sprotected the page. -- Chris 73 | Talk 01:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Profsnow - you are an absolute disgrace, remove the suspected sockpuppet off my page immediately. RobertBFC 10:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Yawn. --Dan 22:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:RobertBFC

I appreciate that you are working against the General Tojo vandal but I think your conduct towards this user has been somewhat lacking. I don't know if he is a sockpuppet of General Tojo or not (I have seen nothing to suggest that he is) but I think that he deserves to be treated with good faith while he edits within Wikipedia policies. In particular I think saying that you added a sockpuppet tag "to twit him a bit" was not necessary. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 22:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I agree - I shall leave him alone. I'm not really working against the Tojo vandal so much as putting together a good Parkinson's Disease page, and adding my bit to some Korean pages. Sometimes one loses sight of the main purpose. --Dan 22:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for taking it so well. Good luck with your articles. --Cherry blossom tree 23:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undetected Tojo sockpuppets

Hi Dan, two suspected Tojo sockpuppets seem to have been making edits to Parkinson's disease for almost a week now.

Wael has been banned as he outed himself at m:Talk:Spam_blacklist#viartis.net_2, but I don't have enough evidence to have Al banned quite yet. Could you please double check the validity of their edits please. --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  13:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Netsnipe, I've been keeping an eye on both those guys, figuring it might be Bridgeman establishing an innocent record - but didn't see any of his usual behavior, so was leaning towards the viewpoint that it likely wasn't him but still deserved watching. I'll look again, but what I saw looked reasonable first time around. --Dan 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In good faith

Greetings! Am no expert on Parkinson's, nor do I (or close relations) suffer from it. Wandered across the page (as you do) and thought a bit of tidying was in order, generally minor things just to make it more readable. I appreciate we all have different ideas about what an encyclopaedia is/is not but my feeling is that the vast majority of people should be able to read an (entire) article without becoming lost in the minutiae. Thank you for pointing out the mistake and I am more than happy if you or anybody else changes anything I have written (that is what makes Wikipedia what it is!) I am sorry to hear you've been having trouble with the page as I can appreciate how difficult it can be to get the whole thing just **right** ("Quality" as Pirsig sees it.) Our paths may cross again but I hope I have reassured you that a fellow Taoist acts in good faith. Sorry for the essay!Mmoneypenny 18:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invite

Hi Profsnow,

Thanks for your continued contributions to Korea-related topics. I noticed that you haven't joined WikiProject Korea, so please consider this an earnest invitation to do so. Everything is still rather messy, and probably always will be as long as I'm the janitor, but we're hoping to accomplish great things. I think perhaps the working group for South Korean geography might be of particular interest? Best regards, -- Visviva 13:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help in translation

Could you take a look at the Tae Kwon Do talk page (under Modern Tae Kwon Do about a third down in that section) and verify if what Errant says about the Korean writing system is true? After looking at the "Writing system" section on this page I wonder if he is correct.Quietmartialartist 19:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes he's got it right - he sounds like he might be more fluent in the language than I am, and that's going some, since I'm married to a former Peace Corps Korean language teacher. --Dan 21:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Also could use some help translating the picture I posted on the Chung Do Kwan discussion page. Thank you.Quietmartialartist 18:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the two pictures of a bunch of martial artists from 1960? It's all chinese characters, and beyond me to translate completely. I can tell you that there is nothing of Chun do gwan in there, and that the first three characters appear to be the name of the style, since the third character is "gwan". The first character means 'peace' and is pronounced roughly 'pyoung' The fourth and fifth characters are 'Han Gook' - i.e., Korea, and the next character I think is 'high' as in'high school', although I think I'm wrong. The next character after that is the 'do' which means 'way'. Best I can do for now. --Dan 22:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah. So nothing about "Wave"... Interesting... Thanks for what you've translated so far. Do you know anyone else who may be able to translate more?Quietmartialartist 01:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Also nothing about "chung", so don't make too much of it. I'm convinced by Errant that the art, or one branch of it anyway, is called "blue wave". It could be your instructors got it wrong. That happens, it's not the end of the world. Or it could be they splintered from the blue wave group - that happens a lot too, especially with Korean martial artists. IMHO the whole forced unification of styles that the dictator Syngman Rhee pushed was ill-conceived and unnatural, so it's no surprise there are disagreements. If you enjoy your style, respect your teachers, and get something of value from it, that's enough. Whether there's this huge unbroken string of ancient teachers or it was just something put together by some guy who studied shodokan during the occupation is not really that important, at least to me. Used to be martial arts were very local - you'd go to your uncle or someone and learn what he taught you, usually one-on-one. Very much the 'karate kid' scenario. Trying to make something more out of it came, in my opinion, out of Korea's ongoing and continuous jealousy of Japan, who got the Olympics in Tokyo quite early on and whe even had a Japanese martial art become an Olympic event. That's really what the unification of styles into the taekwondo pastiche was about, if you ask me. But in answer to your question - I'll have my wife take a look at those pictures later today & let you know what she says.

Thanks again. Quietmartialartist 00:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's the better translation - the date is in 1961 - you subtract 2333 to get gregorian year - and I misread some of it - It says "Welcoming reception for the first gwan director on his return to the country". --Dan 02:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Sunmyeong's Posthumous Name

Hi Dan!

It has been a while since I've edited Min...

But now, I want your help concerning his son's consort, a Yeoheung Min.

I've posted a new topic in his article's discussion page...

See, here's the problem...

I've recently seen (from the official site of the Myeongseong drama) her posthumous name listed as 純明孝太后 순명효태후 Sunmyeong hyo-taehu "The Filial Empress Dowager Sunmyeong". Very contrary to the posthumous name here in the article as 純明孝皇后 순명효황후 Sunmyeong hyo-hwanghu "The Filial Empress (Consort) Sunmyeong"...

What is correct?

And might I ask, is there a difference in 太后/태후 and 皇太后/황태후? Are they the same (with or without the 皇/황)?

Thanks...

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 09:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)