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[edit] Barnstar

IMHO this is very much deserved.

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For your constant efforts in defending Wikipedia policy and upholding Wikipedia values in spite of severe and unreasonable pressure to desist. •CHILLDOUBT• 12:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Chill doubt! I really appreciate it.Proabivouac 20:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Torah judgement reloaded

You were once involved in the discussion about whether the Banu Qurayza were massacred based/in line with/etc. provisions of the Torah. Some editor has reopened that can and I think you may want to comment ar Talk:Banu_Qurayza#Torah_issue_reloaded. Cheers, Str1977 (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Str1977 (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment about Durova

A colleague of mine recently pointed out that you were unsure as to why I marked remedy 8 as passing, even though it only had 6 votes and the majority for the case was 7 votes. As I explained on my talk page and questioned on Paul August's, an "abstain" vote lowers the majority for that proposal. You are free to review the relevant portion of the policy for more information. I'm sorry for the confusion. Cbrown1023 talk 23:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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hey pro,you've been away for quite some time from wikipedia.hope that everything is okGrandia01 (talk) 04:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season's greetings

In my religion this is a time of year for reconciliation. You and I have both worked in the interests of the project from different perspectives. Would you like to talk? DurovaCharge! 01:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

Hi Proabivouac!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!! I hope you have a successful year to come!!! Best, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your participation in my RfA. And yes, I definitely paid close attention to everything that was said in the debate. Where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I do have to admit some concerns with some of your own comments, which I felt were veering a bit towards personal attacks,[1] and I would encourage you to keep this in mind when you participate in RfAs in the future, so you can try to make your comments in a more civil way. It is possible to oppose someone's candidacy, without attacking them personally or stating falsehoods. Anyway, as regards my own adminship, I am going to take it slowly for now -- I'm working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school, double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. I sincerely doubt you'll see anything controversial coming from my new access level. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, though I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are a few more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status. If you do ever have any concerns about my activities as an administrator, I encourage you to let me know. My door is always open. --Elonka 01:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

way to go pro.expect to be disliked.this is what usually happens to honest and no-bullsh** people in this lifeGrandia01 (talk) 06:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Hey

I noticed you haven't been very active in the past little while. Have you lost interest?

I just wanted to let you know that we all miss you. And if you ever feel like editing again, you're always welcome here. Medieval Man 07:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator elections

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[edit] FYI

I'm not sure whether you ever happened to notice this, which was motivated by a comment you had made elsewhere at the time and which might be of interest. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Milhist coordinators election has started

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[edit] ON BS, HK and HE

That was an interesting thing you just did. Relata refero (talk) 11:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It's quite simple, actually: false charges suck. BhaiSaab didn't do what it was alleged he'd done. There are no "buts" here as far I'm concerned, any more than there were with User:Matt57 and the false charges to which he was subjected (in his case, not by accident.) I rarely agreed with BhaiSaab, and often disagreed with Matt57, but "POV" is of little concern to me here: to bear false witness is never acceptable, under any excuse.Proabivouac (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Roberts' wild goose chase

Hi.

I've been lurking at WR, and I came across this thread, specifically Post 92 by Robert Roberts. Do you think you could talk some sense into him and get him to say the name of the article? I think there's a lot of intelligent commentary at WR, but if everyone is going to assent to Robert Roberts' "experiment", then you're no better than the irresponsible BLP editors you all complain about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polo Shirt (talk • contribs) 06:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Request for arbitration

A request for arbitration has been made on a matter in which you were involved. You may add yourself as a party and comment if desired at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Appeal_of_commuity_ban_of_Iantresman. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 10:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subpages

Hi,

A quick message concerning the following pages that don't seem intended to be imminently used:

  • User:Proabivouac/Orderinchaos&DanielT5&Zivko85 - Sockpuppetry allegation, last edited August 2007
  • User:Proabivouac/Oldwindybear&Stillstudying - Sockpuppetry allegation, last edited July 2007
  • User:Proabivouac/Orderinchaos&DanielT5&Zivko85/Combined contribution timeline - Timeline for puppetry investigation, last edited August 2007
  • User:Proabivouac/Oldwindybear&Stillstudying/Combined contribution timeline - Timeline for puppetry investigation, last edited July 2007

I have provisionally blanked these (WP:UP#NOT), as no action has taken place for so long, in the meantime, and if you don't plan to use these (as seems likely) no action is needed by you - they can be left, or deleted in a while. You can always ask for the markup back if you ever need it in future, if that happens, of course.

Best,

FT2 (Talk | email) 17:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Of Oldwindybear and Orderinchaos - the second still an administrator, despite well-documented and indisputably abusive sockpuppetry - it is obvious enough to whose request you are responding. The evidence of Oldwindybear's socking has been linked from several blogs, and should not be blanked under any circumstances. I'd go so far to say that that OWB himself would agree. This is a technical lesson on how to perform proper sock identifications. The other, I'm afraid, speaks to the corruption and double standards of Wikipedia justice - administrators can get away with long term egregious abuses with only a warning, so long as the thinnest pretense of innocence is provided (the "gay lovers" defense) which no one really believes. Forget most administrators, most contributors have more integrity than this. Please do not blank my userspace pages again, FT2.Proabivouac (talk) 11:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
So ... Orderinchaos as well - it seems to be the ménage a trois defence. (I contributed to the OWB case, but was not aware of the other, the timeline for which appears to sustain the charge.) I see that the 2 surrogates both stopped editing altogether immediately after the vociferous oppose in triplicate on Elonka's rfa around 1 Aug 07. The timelines should be restored as well, I believe. (Good stuff.) -- roundhouse0 (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pssst

You may wish to revert this as you did for its parent page. 71.174.111.205 (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

You do not seem to edit much, if at all, any more, and your most recent edits are not acceptable - userspace is not for laundry lists of grudges and speculation. I think it's time to call it a day. Guy (Help!) 22:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You'll be hard-pressed to determine the origin of the "grudges" you are imaging here, for I'd no contact with Orderinchaos at all prior to the filing of this report…unless you believe I meant to retaliate against him for opposing Elonka's second RfA, which I foolishly supported? Only the socking and accompanying dishonesty bothers me, otherwise he seems an intelligent and capable administrator, with whose socks, incidentally, I generally agreed. Do you find it inconceivable that anyone would aim to ensure the integrity of the project, without some nefarious underlying motive?Proabivouac (talk) 01:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This seems rather silly. Blocking someone who's only recent edits have been on his own talk page? Whatever happened to a simple "hey, about that page..." note? So, let me get this straight: User:Oldwindybear was blocked for sockpuppeting and you suspect User:Orderinchaos of controlling that sockpuppet? Frotz (talk) 01:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
If someone wishes to defuse a historic event, it seems an excellent strategy to delete pages not touched since Aug 07 which everyone had forgotten (or not known) about and then block the initial contributor of the material simply for restoring his own page. And then, having created this gratuitous drama in 2008, to allege simultaneous drama-queenery and inactivity is really quite splendid. (User:Orderinchaos had nothing to do with OWB.) -- roundhouse0 (talk) 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
As you are aware, you have been unblocked. Without prejudice, I would comment that I performed that action purely on procedural grounds and according to my understanding of WP principles - it should not be taken as condoning the (re)creation of the concerned pages. I suggest that you consider the now lifted block as a final warning regarding the pursuing of this historical matter. If you should have further more recent evidence regarding your claims then there are the appropriate venues in which to submit it - but I strongly suggest that you compile any such material off-Wiki, to avoid any further potential disruption. I would further comment that the discussion at WP:ANI regarding the matter has not finalised, and that you may yet face further sanction. I imagine that you are aware that your future conduct will have much bearing on the consequences of that debate. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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