Talk:Provisional Government of Hawaii

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[edit] POV tag

Please explain specifically what sentences the POV tag was added for. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 01:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The POV tag is justified on the basis that the article presents the Morgan Report as the definitive, authoritative, and final verdict on the role of U.S. agents in the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii. It is not such a source, and the modern mainstream historical analysis of the events presents a far more complicated picture than is represented here, doing a major disservice to readers. Cheers, Arjuna 08:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you need to be more specific. The Morgan Report was the only bi-partisan investigation into the Hawaiian Revolution that included all of the information from the Blount Report, including testimony from Blount himself. The only other possibly "definitive" treatment of it was the Native Hawaiians Study Commission Report of 1983, but even that only mentioned it in passing. To assert that reinterpretation of history by sovereignty activists and scholars represents a more fair analysis than source materials seems to be out of place here.

What would you consider a "definitive, authoritatiev, and final verdict", and why? Could you please remove the POV tag until you can provide more specific citations in support of your POV? Mahalo! --JereKrischel 04:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi JK, please see my comments on your talk page. Cheers. Arjuna 09:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Aloha Arjuna, please see the comments at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy#POV tag. Although I appreciate your concerns, it is not productive to throw pov tags around without either sufficient or specific cause. Please provide appropriate citations to illustrate your concerns, rather than simply making claims of your own opinion. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 09:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

JK, thanks for your amusing comments. As you are smart enough to know, but failing other ammunition than to request repeated re-interation of facts already expressed and demonstrated, there is already ample sufficient and specific cause, and that the views therein are not simply "my opinion". The POV tags will stay. Aloha, Arjuna 09:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

As per your suggestion, I have also asked Viriditas to weigh in. I look forward to more specific citations from you, even if as you claim, they have already been provided - I have looked through your contributions, and have not found any such citations, but you may have a better idea of what edits to look at. Maybe for future work, we can create a page Talk:JereKrischel/Arjuna's citations so we can keep them handy. I assume your intent is not to leave a permanent POV tag here, but to improve the article so that neither you nor I feel it is necessary. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 10:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The only thing I see here that could remotely be called POV was the wording of two sentences and I fixed that. Considering that there has been no effort to correct the alleged POV in over half a year, I'm removing the POV tag. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)