Talk:Provinces of Ireland

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"loosely federated kinships" or "kingships" ? which ?

I strongly suspect this would be kingdoms. I will alter it accordingly which would reflect the status ante quo. user:sjc

Contents 1 No legal status? 2 Boundaries 3 Image 4 Flag 5 "Golden age" 6 Gaelic provinces 7 Defaced Ulster Flag? 8 Midland colony 9 Citations

[edit] No legal status?

The first section says that the provinces have no legal status and this may be correct in the sense that there are no provincial governments, legal jurisdictions, police forces, etc. But this presents a slightly false picture. The situation is a far cry for example from the way in which the historical French provinces have been eradicated. The Irish provinces continue to be used for organisational purposes by various statutory bodies. To give just two examples, the Central Statistics Office presents most (possibly all) of its census data broken down by province, in addition to breaking down the figures by local authority [1], and the Met Office provides separate forecasts and climate data for the provinces [2]. The point I'm trying to make I suppose is that the provinces are still very 'real' in the day-to-day administration of Ireland and they're not purely a historical and sporting notion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidmccormack (talk • contribs) 02:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Boundaries

I presume the modern province boundaries are not any older than the county boundaries? Morwen - Talk 11:46, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Maybe....

[edit] Image

I think the image on here isn't quite right - it shows Longford as part of Connacht, whereas the individual province pages show it as part of Leinster. sjorford 13:02, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Certainly. Longford is and has always been one of the twelve counties of Leinster.--File Éireann 21:42, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. zoney ▓█▒ talk 19:15, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Flag

Question: why is the "red hand" open handed in the flag shown on this page? Shouldn't it match this flag? Is this a mistake? --JW1805 15:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes my friend - it is a mistake - I have commented about this on the image itself. Perhaps it would be best to contact User:Zoney about this as he originally created the image.Jonto 00:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I just corrected the flag, putting in the proper "red hand". All is well.--JW1805 01:57, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Golden age"

"during Ireland's golden age".... the igorant amongst us (i.e. me) would like to know when that was, at the moment it is too ambigious for the lay reader. Pcb21| Pete 14:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, it unreasonably assumes a knowledge of Irish history on the part of the reader. I have re-worded it – if anyone wants to specify the period more clearly, by all means do so. Vilĉjo 19:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaelic provinces

"When under Gaelic rule, Ireland was divided into provinces": is there any evidence that the word "province" was used before the Norman invasion? Each one had a king, so the natural English word is "kingdom". --Henrygb 16:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Defaced Ulster Flag?

Most of the red hand at the centre of the ulster flag has been removed if you follow the link through to the file: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Four_Provinces_Flag.svg (80.189.121.40 20:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Midland colony

Are there any maps we can use that would should an approximation of all five fifths of Ireland, before the Province of Meath was assimilated? I found this, which might be close. Obviously we have to avoid WP:OR, though maps could surely be created given some source with a written description of the province's extant. --Setanta 09:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Needs citations, one is not enough. 24.195.129.65 (talk) 00:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)