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In both protostomes and deuterostomes, the embryo consists of a little ball of cells known as a blastula. Protostomes have their early cell divisions diagonal to the polar axis forming a spiral arrangement of cells; this is called spiral cleavage. A groups of cells move inward to form an opening called the blastophore, which in protostomes develops into the mouth.

Protostomes have a determinate cleavage: the fate of how each embryonic cell will turn out to be or function is typically fixed very early; the first four cells are separate and each will develop into a fixed quarter of the larva. If a cell is removed from the blastula, a limb might not form, for the other cells don't compensate. Protostomes are schizocoely, where the mesoderm splits and the split widens into a cavity that becomes the coelom.

This is because it doesn't seem accurate. Although many protostomes have spiral cleavage, it's not universal to the group, and in particular is rare among the Ecdysozoa. I'm not sure about the rest, but I thought it worth erring on the side of caution. Josh

I am curious to know what evidence there is for the assertion that it appears that the protostomes evolved from the deuterostomes, and that therefore protostomy is the derived condition. ???

 You're correct, protostomes did not evolve from deuterostomes, I will remove this now.

Contents 1 Simplify 2 What about cnidarians? 3 Removed section 4 embryonic development

[edit] Simplify

Just a sugestion but could you, perphaps change this page so that the rest of the world can understand it? Now I'm a reasonablly bright person, but this article is like reading a foreign language. I'm all for having accurate and informative pages, but the only person that could read this would be people with degrees in Biology, and people with degrees in Biology do not need to look this stuff up on Wikipedia. Its just a suggesstion but consider it. Antarticstargate 04:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)AntarticstargateAntarticstargate 04:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about cnidarians?

I've looked under both protostome and deuterostome, and there is no mention of the cnidarians. Do they fit under either, or neither? They have a mouth, but some don't have an anus, so they can't be deuterostomes. Even so, what is it called when the blastopore becomes both the mouth and the anus? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.210.91.137 (talk) 17:01:50, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Cnidarians are Acoelomates, they do not possess a coelom and thus are neither protostomes nor deuterostomes. Platyhelminthes are also Acoelomates so I am not sure they can be categorized as protostomes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.2.167 (talk) 21:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed section

I removed this section, it is not right:

subphylum of protostomes

• spincula
• echiura
• pogonophora
• pentastomida
• onychophora
• tardigrada

--Dj Capricorn (talk) 17:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] embryonic development

some diagrams on the embryonic development of protostomes vs. deuterostomes would be a nice addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.146.72 (talk) 21:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)