Talk:Protestant views of Mary

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[edit] Generalizations

Quote:

Various Protestant churches accept some of the teachings of Ephesus and regard this title of Mary as theologically correct.

• Who are the various Protestant Churches?
• Which some teachings are accepted?
• Which Ephesus teachings are theologically not correct or not accepted?

This sentence, which really does not say anything, highlights a problem in serveral passages: Generalizations without any back ups. I like to propose that we abstain from generalities as much as possible for the time being and focus on specifics. Once these are documented, generalities will come much easier.-:)) --Ambrosius007 (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I hope I adressed your concerns in my latest edit. Cheers.

--Mordecai99 (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Assertions are normally cited at the end of sentences!

This would or could be verified with one sourse-- all the more if they "really does not say anything"!

But they are not my assertions-- how would I know if they are a quote? I am making these edits to conform to good style.

Stop putting in ".^{[citation needed]} " -- Use "^{[citation needed]}" --Carlaude (talk) 19:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merges

I have proposed merging Martin Luther's views on Mary, John Calvin's views on Mary, and Karl Barth's views on Mary here. Those articles could be considerably condensed without losing anything, this article is not overly long, and that material could easily be incorporated here, not to mention at Mary (mother of Jesus)#Christian views of Mary. --Flex (talk/contribs) 19:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy and paste

Almost certainly some of this article was copied from somewhere (witness the Latin citations rather than English ones). The questions are: how much was copy and pasted, and is it copyrighted material? --Flex (talk/contribs) 21:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Almost certainly some of this article was copied from somewhere (witness the Latin citations rather than English ones). Hm, as the poor author of the "Latin copies", let me just say: Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respices finem! To the best of my knowledge, those folks wrote in Latin, French, and German and not in English! Without engaging in original research, to quote them in the original ... -:))) Ambrosius007 (talk) 20:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It's true that the Reformers wrote in Latin for a scholarly audience and the vernacular for the locals, and Barth in the vernacular. The point is, when citing, say, Calvin, modern scholars don't cite his Opera (unless perhaps the work in question hasn't been translated into English, but that's not the case here).

Anyway, the Latin and German titles aren't really a big deal in themselves. The real issue is that such non-modern citations make me suspect a copy-and-pasting from somewhere. That may also be ok, but it may not be -- depending on the copyright. As the author, could you please share if you used any sources in creating those sections, and if so, which ones? Thanks! --Flex (talk/contribs) 00:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Now that Latin an German titles are not the problem anymore, can you kindly document and detail your accusation Almost certainly some of this article was copied from somewhere

• From where did I copy,
• What did I copy?
• What did I not copy?
• Are all three articles copied?

Thank you --Ambrosius007 (talk) 20:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Those are the questions I'm asking: was this material original with you? Did you use any sources? If so, which ones? Was it copied illegitimately from anywhere? These are important questions here (cf. WP:COPYVIO). When the (mostly) obsolete Latin titles for, say, Calvin's works show up in the Wikipedia, it usually means the material was derived in whole or in part from an older source. Newer sources typically use translated, unabbreviated titles (when available). --Flex (talk/contribs) 12:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Those are the questions I'm asking: To me this is not a question but a statement : Almost certainly some of this article was copied from somewhere.

Verify or take it back! Flex, it seems to be your policy to insult, and simultaniously ask for prove, that the insulted party is not a crook. -:)) Nice try! Last message on this subject! As I will expand on both Calvin articles at a later occasion, I most certainly will continue quoting these sources in front of me. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)