Talk:Protestant Reich Church

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Contents 1 Significance 2 Rosenberg and the Reich Church 3 NAZI View of Aryan Jesus 4 POV 5 Significant Changes to Be Made

[edit] Significance

This is a rather tiny article. Were they just not very significant? Because there's like volumes on Catholic Nazis at Wiki.--T. Anthony 08:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rosenberg and the Reich Church

There is some confusion here. The article implies that Rosenberg's 30 points were the program of the Reich Church, which is not correct. Although there was a faction within the German Christians organization that wanted to ban the Old Testament from Church teaching, this is hardly true of the Reich Church in general. The ideas of Nazi thinkers like Rosenberg and Jakob Wilhelm Hauer were directly opposed to Christianity, but they were not really encouraged by the Nazi leadership. Hitler knew he needed the support of the Protestant Church to gain power, so any attempt to officially abandon the Old Testament would not have been in his interest. Anyway, Rosenberg's and Hauer's attempts to create a new völkische religion had nothing to do with the Reich Church, which was just the official body of German Protestants in the Third Reich designed by the totalitarian state. Also, the Thule Society was not an occult order, as countless conspiracy buffs claim, but a far-right political organization. 87.169.52.227 00:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Rosenberg's fantasies were not a programme for the Protestant Riech Church, which is what this article is about. I'm not even clear about the provenance of this 30 point plan, which seems extreme, even for Rosenberg. Paul B 18:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, the 30 point plan was just an idea from Rosenberg's diary, one of his megalomaniac fantasies. --84.174.197.77 20:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NAZI View of Aryan Jesus

This article should include discussion of the Nazi concept of Jesus which they developed from 1933 onward, with links to the below, because it is such a unique view of Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Other_views http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race rumjal 10:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it certainly shouldn't be discussed here. Racist-esoteric views about Jesus were not an official teaching of the Reich Church. Also, the Reich Church did not abandon the Old Testament, although some extremists in the German Christians encouraged the idea. --84.174.197.77 20:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"but the Protestant Reich Church did so for racial more than theological reasons."

This needs to be supported by some kind of source. It sound like a POV to me.

Darwinzape 20:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If you ask me, it's quite useless to debate on wether they banned Jews for racist or theological reasons. Pro-Nazi theology contained a strong element of racism, the two were intermixed. --84.174.197.77 20:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Significant Changes to Be Made

The more I read about the subject, the more this article seems screwed up to me. The official protestant church in the Third Reich wasn't called Protestant Reich Church but German Evangelical Church (Deutsche Evangelische Kirche). Apart from that, the German Christians tried to set up what they called a German Reich Church (not Protestant Reich Church!) in 1933, which, had the extremist wing of the German Christians succeeded, would have eventually abandoned the Old Testament. --84.174.206.50 15:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)