Talk:Proposals for new Australian States

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[edit] Ending something magical

OK, I've gone through and wikified and copyedited the whole article now, but I'm still struck by the fact that there is, nowhere, in the entire thing, a single notable verifiable citation. I would appreciate it if some could be provided by some editors "in the know"... Tomer^talk 13:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Some of it is correct (in fact, most of it is correct AFAIK. Might want to try WP:AWNB. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It's all correct. While references are ideal, there's nothing in this article that isn't particularly obvious. I'd heard of all of these statehood movements long before this article came along. Ambi 13:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I've added some further reading links - the SMH article should fulfill the N, V, and CITE criteria. Natgoo 14:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. To clarify, I wasn't calling doubt upon the veracity of the claims, I was simply pointing out that there were no citations for any of the assertions made in the article. Tomer^talk 15:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

As an addendum...in case anyone mistook my intent based upon the way I chose to entitle this section of the talk page, let me clarify by pointing out that it was the end of what I started with my first edit to the article, the edit summary of which was "starting something magical"... Sorry for any misunderstandings... Tomer^talk 15:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How are states formed?

The article explains historic proposals for new states and subdivisions, but it doesn't actually cover how a state is formed. Is it a referendum or something to pass into law? --Breno ^talk 12:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that in the case of Australia, it hasn't been done since the 19th century, and most are from the original English colonies. --MacRusgail (talk) 15:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

From my recollections of studying the Constitution in high school, the state/s out of which the new state would be created would have to have a referendum passed by a majority of it's/their own citizens, and then the citizens of each of the other states must pass referendums by a majority, before the original state passes legislation to form the new state. I don't have time to write something for the article at the moment, but maybe someone else does (or I can get back to this later). Blarneytherinosaur ^gabby? 02:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

For reference, the relevant part of the Constitution is chapter 6. Blarneytherinosaur ^gabby? 02:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's the theory perhaps. I suspect that the reality is that Canberra would have to back any such move... --MacRusgail (talk) 12:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC) p.s. The other problem is that both Canada and the USA have far more precedent for this kind of thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacRusgail (talk • contribs) 22:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added some information about what the Constitution says about the formation of states, and yes, the Federal Government does have to approve the formation of a new state. Apparently there is no requirement for referenda of the states either, just the approval of the state/s involved. Blarneytherinosaur ^gabby? 05:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I was editing the same section at the same time, caused much confusion, lol.WA Burdett (talk) 05:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow thanks for the prompt response. Much appreciated. --Breno ^talk 05:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalisation

In several places 'state' and 'states' were capitalised. 'The State' requires a capital only where it is being used in the same way as 'the Crown', not when it is similar to 'the country'. I've corrected those that were wrong. I've also removed the incorrect capital on 'parliaments of the states'. A capital on 'the parliament' may be correct in the singular (if it is being thought of as a legal entity), but not in the plural. Klippa (talk) 02:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)