Talk:Progressive Canadian Party

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[edit] Change

I changed the partys ideology to centrism/ red toryism because the partys creator describes the party as centrist - Konulu Someone changed it back without warning but I have a quote supporting my change and if it is changed back I will report it to a moderator my quote is "In 2004, Hueglin became a lead organizer for the Progressive Canadian Party, which he has described as a centrist party." this is from the wikipedia article on Hueglin. - Konulu

  • Yes, and Red Toryism is pretty much a centrist ideology. The reason why we don't agree (well, at least my reason) with putting centrism in is because it's generic. Red Toryism is unique to Canada and all PC Parties. Jareand 20:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • if we do red toryism/centrism then it is more understandable for the international community and is better for wikipedia - Konulu

This article seems to have been blanked out before this entry was made. Can anyone revert this to the version two prior to this?Kevintoronto 19:10, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done. You could do it yourself too, just click on the page history, click on the edit you want to revert to, edit the page, and save it (you don't actually have to edit it but you have to click the edit button). There is no special sysop way to revert a blanking if someone edits it afterwards (but it's unfortunate that no one noticed the blanking in the first place...). Adam Bishop 19:14, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. I was just sifting through the instructions on how to revert when I saw that you had done so. Now I know.... Kevintoronto 19:18, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

- There's something here that I think you should change, you said that the PC Party was created by a "merger of the Progressive and Conservative parties", thats not true and its kind of misleading. The Tories adopted the Progressive prefix onto their name after they invited former Manitoba Progressive premier John Bracken to become their leader in 1942. The federal Progressive Party of Canada remained intact and registered until 1948, and most of the former Progressives went onto the Liberals and CCF. It sort of gives the impression that the party of Sir John A. Macdonald was dissolved or merged in 1942, when in reality it actually remained the same party, with only the word "Progressive" added on. The former party has had many different names during different periods, Liberal-Conservative, Unionist, National Liberal and Conservative, even National Government and than Progressive Conservative, but always remained the same political party until 2003.

I think for the sake of proper education that that should be changed, I won't edit it myself since Im not the author, but its something that I ask, thank you. - Chris Gilmore (BTW, Im not a user)

Quite right, Chris. I don't know how I let this get past. Wikipedia articles are, by design, collaborations, so you should not hesitate to edit an article if you see something that is incorrect, or if you can add some useful information. If you click on the "History" tab at the top of the page, you will see how many people have already contributed to this article. The disadvantage to the "open content" concept is that people can and do post misinformation, which is why others have to clean things up from time to time. You do not have to be a registered user to edit, by the way, but it does help in the event that someone wants to discuss your edit with you. Regards, Kevintoronto 14:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] March 11, 2005 edits

Michaelm: here is why I reverted your edits.

  1. describing both the Progressive Conservative Party and the Canadian Alliance as "centre-right" suggests that they were of the same political orientation. They were not. The Prog. Cons. Party was not as far right as the CA. The CA regularly used right-wing "hot button" issues like capital punishment, stiffer sentencing, and big tax cuts. The Prog. Cons. Party called for tax cuts, but not as drastic. Nor did it endorse capital punishment, or oppose bilingualism in government services.
  2. The new CPC is not further to the right than the CA, as your edits seem to suggest. It is either as right-wing, or slightly more moderate, although that remains to be seen. I think that Harper has been more willing to silence the extremists in his caucus than Stockwell Day was, and has been much more conciliatory toward Quebec.
  3. I removed the Progressive Conservative link. That just redirects to the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, which is already linked in the line above. The Wikipedia Style Guide advises that there is no need to link every instance of a word/phrase, and that you should link more than once in an article only if it is a long article and the instances are far apart.
  4. I removed the abbreviation "MP" in reference to Joe Hueglin and restored the full "Member of Parliament" according to standard writing style. You should always spell out an initialism (or acronym) the first time you use it in an article. Not everyone reading Wikipedia will know what an "MP" is. In the US, for example, it stands for "Military Police". Standard writing style also advises that if you're going to use the initialism later in the article, you should indicate it after the first full instance, i.e., "Member of Parliament (MP)". This alerts the reader to be on the look out for it later. I don't know if "MP" is used later in the article.

I think I left one or two of your other edits in because they were good. Thanks. Kevintoronto 14:31, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please Leave Progressive Canadian Party Political ideology as conservative think you. Michaelm 07:41, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Michaelm: you did not provide any rationale for changing it to "conservative". You must do more than ask people to respect your changes, you must provide evidence or explanations as I did above when I reverted your changes. Doing this avoids an edit war, which is a waste of everybody's time. I looked at the website, and found that the party describes itself as "progressive-conservative" (with the hyphen), and not as "conservative". I figured, like others, that "moderate" was a good way of summarizing "progressive-conservative". But since this seems to be a problem for you, we'll go with "progressive-conservative". There is no way on God's green Earth that you can argue with using the description that the party uses itself. Thank you. Kevintoronto 15:22, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Senate

I deleted the following section :

Senate

It's a little know fact that there are 5 Progressive Conservative MPs sitting in the Senate, which therefore makes it an official party. It is not, however, known if the Senate of Canada acknowledges the PCs as a Caucus (and gives them funding and lets them have a Leader, etc). When Paul Martin, the Prime Minister of Canada, appointed in mid-2005 several Senators who declared themselves Progressive Conservative, as is their right, he did so because he wanted to entrench the opposition to the Conservative Party of Canada.

The PC senators are:

Atkins, Norman K. Doody, C. William McCoy, Elaine Murray, Lowell Nancy Ruth

These "PC senators" are not members of the Progressive Canadian Party but rather identify themselves as "Progressive Conservatives" even though that party no longer exists. Since these senators are not members of the Progressive Canadian Party, there is no reason to include information about this in the Progressive Canadian Party article. -- ABCXYZ 10:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)