Talk:Progg
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[edit] Sweden, Scandinavia?
Is this really a purely swedish music/style movement? What about progg in Denmark? Rode mor comes to mind. Outside Scandinavia? Germany? And if it's a purely scandinavian thing, what were the sources of inspiration? Bob Dylan and John Lennon are given, but are there other connections to US political rock music? JöG 21:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm currently reading the very interesting book "Proggen" by Håkan Lahger. Clearly there was a well defined Swedish movement, which deserves to be described in it's own article. In this book, however, foreign bands such as french Gong (band) are refered to as progg, but I think that in Sweden, "progg" is generally understood as music from this particular Swedish movement. But maybe this article could be moved to The Swedish progressive musical movement or something like that? Regarding the relation to Progressive rock - some of these bands absolutely are "progressive rock", but other "progg" artists are not "progressive rock" at all - for example Jan Hammarlund. Battra 17:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stalin
I'd like to see some specifics about bands supporting Joseph Stalin. That is, I suspect, more of a stereotype than anything else. Castro, the FNL — yes. Lenin and the Soviet Union — possibly. Stalin — I think not. JöG 22:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
And the specifics were there, some paragraphs further down. Damn. JöG 22:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
However, that's just one band. In my experience, there is no other (well known) groups glorifying Stalin. Toshotosho 16:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following out of the article: "One band called Knutna Nävar made a song glorifying Joseph Stalin.", for two reasons: 1. I am no expert in progg, but is "Knutna Nävar" really representative of the movement, if they can even be said to be "progg"? The group is a song group belonging to KFML, a small Swedish communist party which existed then. Maybe more could be said about the different directions in the movement (as in the article on Swedish WP), and "Knutna nävar" could be mentioned as an example of the most political groups (maybe the only who belonged to a party.) 2. They didn't write the song "Sången om Stalin", it's a tranlated Soviet song. --Battra 21:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Attitude
"it could be said that it [Progg] was divided into two major styles based on politics and attitude" This is an completely subjective remark without any sources. Any musical genre could be divided in a million different ways. Section removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by unknown (talk • contribs)
- It wasn't I who wrote that section, but I would say that the division in political progg, which focused on the texts, and the more "musical" progg which often had many instrumental songs was rather strong, and I think it is undisputed. I'm sure someone can find some source where some people who were active says something about this. Battra 22:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I found the removed section, and I think it was the correct decision to remove it. What was written did not seem that well researched. Battra 22:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ho Chi Minh
I took the following out of the article: Some of the more far-left bands supported communist leaders such as Ho Chi Minh due to his role in the Vietnam War which most saw as a war against imperialism.
What is the source for this? I'm sure 100% of the progg bands supported NLF in their struggle for liberation, as did a very large portion of the swedish people, and I guess many had a positive view of Ho Chi Minh, not just some "far-left bands". What bands are meant by "far-left bands"? I don't think any band had statues of Ho Chi Minh, on the other hand. Maybe the person who wrote this thought about "The Song about Ho Chi Minh", a Vietnamese song that was one of many Vietnamese songs which was translated and sung by various song groups at the time, in particalar Freedom Singers, the song grups of DFFG, anf Knutna Nävar, the song groups of some small communistic party, released this song on LP. I wouldn't use the word "progg band" to describe these song groups though. Battra 22:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
