Talk:Proanthocyanidin
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Most of this article sounds more like a bad advertisement then a description.
"proanthocyanidins have been reported in double-blind research to reduce the duration of edema after face-lift surgery from 15.855468 to 11.486745222 days." I really don't think that any kind of study could attain the accuracy that the number of significant figures suggests; the last "2" in that number would be 173 microseconds!
"The Sun's ultraviolet rays destroy up to 50 percent of our skin cells. Proanthocyanidins reduce this amount to approximately 15 percent." WHAT!...is this in a hour...a day...a year...because I'm not sure i want to go outside anymore. Skin cells turn over rapidly, but losing 50% of ones "skin cells" at once sounds pretty serious!
Ashton.
[edit] An advert for supplements
"An important supplement, the proanthocyanidins found in pine bark and grape seed extract work directly to help strengthen all the blood vessels and improve the delivery of oxygen to the cells. Doctor recommended as anti-oxidants, they have become increasingly more important as our environment deteriorates through the introduction of toxins from pollution.......(more).....Unlike most other nutritional supplements, the beneficial effects of proanthocyanidins cross the blood-brain barrier........". Seems like advertising to me. 80.0.108.3 (talk) 10:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The advertising section begins at "...proanthocyanidins have been reported in double-blind research to reduce the duration of edema after face-lift surgery..." and ends at "...can result in increased mental acuity, a decreased potential for stroke, and possibly in fighting senility." This is such a blatant lift from a nutrient/supplement advertising brochure that it cannot remain in the article as it is. It has no references and I see no supporting articles in my reading. The absurd face lift quote is evidently a hack. So I propose to delete this section entirely. I'll wait a week for comment. The section "Oligomeric proanthocyanidins" is more in line with current papers, but needs more references. I think it should stay, but should be footnoted better. Curious Violet (talk) 00:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A young genius
Hehe, if he found Vitamin P in 1936, he was a genius at 14 years old... He was born in 1922. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.134.201.20 (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Authors of supporting references being paid by wine or nutrient companies
Roger Corder, author of 3 of the references used in this article: "Roger Corder has received funding for research and to attend symposia from Catena Wines, Argentina, and Canandaigua Wine Company, New York, US. He is also author of The Wine Diet, scheduled for publication in January 2007 by Little, Brown Book Group." (see http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7119/box/444566a_audecl.html) Regardless of whether research in this article is scientifically sound or not, I think this article has rather a smell of snake oil. There is money involved if claims made here are true. See my comment under "An Advert..." above. Curious Violet (talk) 00:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
