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[edit] Help note

We need assessors at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hinduism/Assessment. All you need to do is look at Hinduism related articles and judge how good they look, its extremely backlogged. Bakaman Bakatalk 05:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Badrinath

Can you move the content to the Badrinath temple page? We want the town page to contain generic info, while the religious contents be moved to the temple page.

Thanks. Balajiviswanathan 07:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the images. You could edit the Badrinath temple article and suitably add the images along with the contents that you have. Balajiviswanathan 23:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mantak Chia stuff

I've removed the instruction parts from those two articles. It seems that they could be made into good articles about the techniques. Perhaps they should be merged into somewhere, but where? I'd recommend if you still think they should be deleted to AfD them rather than speedy them. If they deserve speedying, an admin who sees the AfD may do it... —Hanuman Das 13:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neem Karoli Baba

Hey, I'm glad you are watching this article too. I'll leave it to you for a while. —Hanuman Das 02:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't really watching - but I've had his photo on my userpage for awhile, and noticed that photo had been replaced on his article page, and saw someone post on your userpage about the article. So I had to take a look. I'll do some cleaning up there. ॐ Priyanath 03:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd rather not have the new user thinking I'm being too hard on him. Good work on your part, so far. :-) —Hanuman Das 03:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Krishna

Wow, that is a good portrait of Krishna. I didn't see all the new pictures, thanks for letting me know. Cheers!--Seadog 04:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neem Karoli Baba

moving the discussion here so as to not clutter up the discussion...

  • Ultra-speedy instant Keep Notable person - several books written about him. Well known in the U.S. and in India. Can an admin do this quickly? Clearly this is an abuse of the AdD tag. What's to keep people from putting an AfD tag on anything? ॐ Priyanath 17:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
    • comment: nothing stops people from tagging for AfD; that's why we have debates before deleting tagged stuff. What's notable to me may have been tagged by you; the discussion is to determine whether it's notable at large. --user:Qviri 18:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
      • comment: I understand, but the subject seems so obviously notable, universally and at large, as the comments here declare, that it appears to be an abuse of the AfD process to me. Are five speedy keeps, two keeps, and no deletes enough for an admin to speedy keep this article? ॐ Priyanath 18:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
        • No offence meant to anyone, but this is the first time I've come across the person... and last I checked I was part of the universe :p. Example off the top of my head, I know people who would consider God Is an Astronaut more notable than Neem Karoli Baba. Sure, it seems like a bad faith nomination to me as well, but there's no reason not to assume good faith, even if just for the heck of it. It's pretty obvious that the article is going to be kept, more than likely within a day. Having a box with a link to a discussion page on top of the page for a day isn't going to hurt anyone.
        • I understand the jitters of having the tag up on an article one cares about... but in this case there's really nothing to get worked up about. --user:Qviri 19:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - no jitters, I just don't like seeing a bad-faith nomination given any support. I know it will be kept after all, whether today or in a few days. Thanks for your hand-holding :-) ॐ Priyanath 19:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if I sounded condescending – didn't mean to. Happy editing. --user:Qviri 20:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
If you were condescending, I probably deserved it, so no apologies neccessary. It was just speedily kept, so I was just being a nervous nellie after all. ॐ Priyanath 20:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
WoW! I can't believe NKB got nominated and speedily kept, all while I was at work!! I didn't even get to vote. —Hanuman Das 01:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe it was even nominated. I probably raised more of a stink (at WP:ANI) than was needed, but it was such a bad faith nomination that I didn't want to see that tag there longer than a few hours. I have a feeling that there was more going on than meets the eye - like why did someone with only 18 previous edits even know about AfD, and why that article.... ॐ Priyanath 02:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, looked at the user's contribs. It was apparently in retaliation for my voting keep in the Risk-aware consensual kink AfD. —Hanuman Das 02:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

As expected, the article is back to business. -- Szvest ····> Wiki Me Up ® 16:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote - apparently it was a bad-faith nom after all, based on the comment just above yours here. ॐ Priyanath 18:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Microcosmic Orbit

Sir, Regarding your claim that Hariharananda teaches techniques other than Kriya Yoga. Who are you comparing his teachings to and how do you determine what is the correct Kriya? What is the benchmark? In the absence of Babaji, Lahiri, Sri Yukteswar, Kebalananda etc. how can anyone reliably determine what is the correct Kriya? It seems to me that you only think Yogananda's autobiography a reliable source, but how would you know what Yogananda taught, (other than the limited descriptions in Autobiograhy)- or do you base your knowledge on SRF correspondence style Kriya? Does this explain why you persist with the minority POV that Kriya Yoga traditionally doesn't need to be taught by a realized master? It seems to me that good or bad Hariharananda and now Prajnanananda's teachings most closely resemble the orthodoxy of Yogananda, Satyananda and therefore your namesake Sri Yukteswar. I suspect that you are being a oddly pedantic here in order to retain a sense of editorial authority. Your edit of the last Kriya change was splitting hairs in the extreme. To back up an argument with..."everyone knows that" is a lazy way to justify a point.Jzkramer 08:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Badrinath Temple

It looks good. Thanks. You could also link the temple spring images that you said, you have Balajiviswanathan 19:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I added a higher res version of the hot springs/bath house image that I took. ॐ Priyanath 19:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks and good of you to revert nonsense from Hinduism.

Thanks and good of you to revert nonsense from Hinduism. swadhyayee 05:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Also Bhavishya Puran. swadhyayee 08:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

GoodJzkramer 01:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: AFD

Thanks for bringing that to my attention - actually, the article was deleted, but the individual seems to have recreated it. I have speedy deleted the article per criterion G4, recreation of content which was previously deleted under our rules. (ESkog)(Talk) 23:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Indian caste system

Namaskar Priyanath you may want to check out the discussion there on all the issues.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Hindu propaganda through subversive way on talk page of Hinduism?

Pl. see the efforts of Abecedare to incorporate mischievous links. Pl. give your view to remove entire discussion if we have to maintain non-sense links on talk page. swadhyayee 01:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good call on Kanchi_kamakoti_pitha

Didn't realize it was picked up from a website. Cheers. Cribananda 23:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries mate :-) And I rather like Shamu. Cribananda 01:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding sholiyar article

hi MR. PRIYANATH ,This is athma iyer i came to see that you had tagged article on the sholiyar. i had only return this article after gathering news from that commmunite infact i myself was one among the communite, i am ready to provide you necessary details if required please be frank to ask..

thank you and regards 
 athma iyer

[edit] Jahbulon

I know it's outside your field, but it seems one or two editors are keeping an {unencyclopedic} tag on this article. It looks perfectly encyclopedic to me. Could you take a look and register your opinion (if you form one) on the poll on the talk page? —Hanuman Das 04:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if you feel discomforted by my using your involvement in the AfD. I was trying to resolve an impasse. I did check your conrib history and thought that people would realise your breadth of involvement in Wiki generally - perhaps I need a reality check? Sorry for any trouble. LessHeard vanU 13:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mangeshda

Hey, thanks for helping to keep the AfD tag on the article. My turn if he does it again. His user name seems familiar but I can't recall in what context I may have run across him before... A Ramachandran 01:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On December 22, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article World Brotherhood Colonies, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Priyanath and thanks for creating this article. Keep up the great work on the religion articles. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on the DYK.Bakaman 17:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Hinduism#Super-review_of_article

Hi, please see this. I am hoping that the Hinduism editors can finally discuss the article formally section by section. More information is given there. Thanks GizzaChat © 10:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

{{User DYK}} . You should use it now. Also in the template "User DYK|#" to show the number you have written.Bakaman 21:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! ॐ Priyanath talk 03:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sri Yukteswar Giri

I especially objected to the expression: "the wisdom that readers are familiar with". Otherwise that section seems almost fine. Kkrystian 09:53 (UTC+1) 30 Dec 2006

I also think we should provide some more citations for that article. Kkrystian 19:44 (UTC+1) 30 Dec 2006

Thank you for your cooperation. I have no idea where to find any other biographies of Sri Yukteswar. Kkrystian 11:16 (UTC+1) 31 Dec 2006

[edit] userpage

Thanks bro. Check out the names though User:Bakasuprman#Names.Bakaman 18:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Very impressive! You have alot of secret admirers. Let me know when the names get up to 108, and we can make an article page for you like the 108 names of Krishna. :-) ॐ Priyanath talk 18:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can I ask some questions about hinduism?

I am a bit confused about some cultural issues.--Filll 22:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Hinduism-related Collaboration of the week

You have been invited to help improve the article Sita Ram Goel in this weeks's Hinduism collaboration. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. See also these related articles. [1]

You can also vote for next's week collaboration at the project page: Wikipedia:Hinduism-related Collaboration of the week. Unfortunately, the Collaboration site is little known, that's why the reminder. --Bondego 14:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bearnstar !

Your Barnstar Was EATEN BY A BEAR! ... but here is a bearnstar for making me laugh with this edit summary ! Abecedare 01:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Your Barnstar Was EATEN BY A BEAR!
... but here is a bearnstar for making me laugh with this edit summary ! Abecedare 01:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism and creationism

Oops we have edited over each other. So find a lead sentence that agrees with WP:LEAD. We need the words Hinduism and creationism in the first sentence, as close to the start of the sentence as possible. So if we can think of something more general that does that, then we are good.--Filll 02:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok I made a sentence that hopefully satisfies the requirements of the rules for LEADs here. How does it look to you? I also moved one of the paragraphs down to the beliefs section since the LEAD was getting too long. I am not a fan of very long LEADs.--Filll 02:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Please review my suggestion at Talk:Hinduism and creationism#Lead. Abecedare 02:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm generally happy with how the lead reads now (see my comments at Talk:Hinduism and creationism#Lead). And thanks, Abecedare, for acknowledging my brilliant (blush...) edit summmary - it would probably be considered uncivil by some, but I couldn't resist. ॐ Priyanath talk 07:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lahiri Mahasaya (teachings section)

Why did you remove the three characteristics of a true guru? User:Kkrystian 22:56 (UTC+1) 9 January 2007

1. Because every single one was contradicted, to some degree, by Lahiri's own actions. I'm the one who added all of the qualifications, but it still makes it confusing for readers. 2. Because there is no evidence that they are a 'notable' aspect of his teachings. I'm planning on introducing more of his teachings, but those teachings that were oft repeated, in different books, with citations showing that they are indeed 'notable', and not just selective. ॐ Priyanath talk 22:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

But only the first teaching (about money and gifts) was arguably contradicted to a certain extent. Kkrystian 13:42 (UTC+1) 10 Jan 1007

It was absolutely and unquestionably contradicted. Lahiri asked for a donation every time he initiated someone into Kriya. If that section does go back up, I intend to point this out as a clear and definite contradiction and thus question the translation, the translator, and/or the context from which those points were taken. I tried to gloss it over before, because I think it makes Lahiri Mahasaya look like he couldn't make up his mind, at best, or dishonest ('don't give donations to a Guru, unless it's me') at worst. I've never seen those notable points in any of the extensive other materials written by and about Lahiri Mahasaya. I will be adding some truly notable things next week that Lahiri said about the guru, that he said often and in different books. The second point also could be seen as a contradiction, depending on which definition of assume you use. One of the definitions of that word would fit exactly what Lahiri did with his title, which was to accept a title given by others. I would point this out also as a contradiction. The third point still requires an explanation. But it all ends up being unencyclopedic, unflattering to Lahiri Mahasaya, and in the end, not a notable part of his teachings. ॐ Priyanath talk 16:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. A Bengali friend a couple of years ago told me that the translation of Lahiri Mahasaya's writings that Satyeswarananda did in his book (where these strange and conflicting 3 points come from) is not entirely accurate. My friend had the original Bengali. He wasn't specific about this particular passage being discussed here, so I don't know what the proper translation would be. But it does explain one reason why Lahiri would 'say' something that was completely opposite of what he 'did'. In this case, I would trust his actions, and not a translation from Bengali to English that may have lost the true meaning. Also, another translation of Lahiri Mahasaya's Gita commentaries (Yoganiketan) has nothing remotely resembling those three points. There are so many things that don't pass the smell test on this that it fails Wikipedia's reliable sources test, and should not be used in an encyclopedia article. See: WP:VERIFY —ॐ Priyanath talk 20:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing of yoga links.

Namaskar Priyanath,

I havenot edited and inserted links to commercial sites. I inserted a link to a site that I myself visit and found it to be non commercial and complimentary to the yoga topics. I apologise for any mistake that I may have committed. I am new to editing of wikipedia. I look up to wikipedia with great respect, and consider it the largest online repository of quality human edited knowledge.

I know someday my kids will be using it to complete their homework and help with their studies, and I am not going to pollute such a venerable site with useless links.

Thank you for pointing me to the guides for editing. Also you can visit the website that I have linked to http://www.yoga-and-meditation.org/yoga/ and see if that is not a proper site to link to.

Regards

Arpan Deb Manushya 20:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sai Baba of Shirdi and Lahiri Mahasaya

Thanks for telling me. Do you think we could include it in some Wikipedia article? User:Kkrystian 15:20 (UTC+1) 15 Jan 2007

[edit] Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

I think everyone has forgotten about this! GizzaChat © 23:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] viparita karani

Learning the ropes slowly. Thank you for guiding me. I have re-edited the page. Can you please have a look and tell me if I did it right this time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manushya (talk • contribs) 09:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

Hello. It appears that an older version of this article has been resurrected by Sfacets. He restored a section titled "Differences..." which appears to have been controversial. He only restored the heading with a note saying, "This can be shortened and cleaned up, keeping for reference", so I cleaned it up. Then I was contacted by Hamsacharya dan who noted that the section was controversial. Checking the edit history, you seem to be the only currently active editor who was involved in the dispute on that section. Of the others, one has retired from Wikipedia, and the other two don't seem to have edited for some time. So I thought you might be interested in what happens with that article and section. A Ramachandran 14:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New_Afd

This new Afd is based on Gurunath's own request to have the article removed. Please vote. Senior Hamsacharya 02:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samadhi- Analogous concepts

Greetings Priyanath,

I am just now learning the wiki protocols- pretty facinating- I just discovered your comments and realize there are doctrinaire and dharma features in descriptions of exactly what Samadi is and how it is attained but also know there are many conflicts and contradictions for example between varieties of Tantra some of which propose sexual episodes (following sectarian protocols) can trigger authentic Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

I'm not suggesting that physical exercize or sex commonly triggers a samadhi event- only that in rare instances a spontaneous conscious experiences equivalent to Nirvikalpa Samadhi can be triggered by something as mundane as a hard day's work. ref: http://geocities.com/maya-gaia/synchronicity_samadhi.html

Objectivity for something as numinous as the samadhi-like episode can only depend on subjective accounts and the very few instances where meditators were subjected to monitoring breath and heart-beats, etc. so it would be unjustified to claim that ALL samadhi experiences manifest this feature with only the suggestion from these few examples.

It would seem one cannot arbitrarily claim objectivity by refering to a particular version of dharma for then we are into philosophy and religious bias. I would appreciate your perspective on my account of a samadhi-like episode at> http://geocities.com/maya-gaia/mysticalexp.html

P.S. I just discovered your editing out of the one word- "essential" which I accept because it's implication is ambiguous- thanks.

With kind regards Mayagaia 16:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samadhi- Analogous concepts

Thanks for the welcome in my talk

Am starting to catch up on the wiki protocols.

I see that the internal link to "archetypal" is removed and agree that the wiki article it pointed to deals with the concept in psychoanalysis and that the other disambiguation definitions aren't helpful- so best to leave it as you have it so it can be intuited as to its implication.

Am working on some references tho within the authoritative religious doctrine and dharma there appears much contradiction and to quote Whitehead, Ken Wilber, Lee Pulos, Kenneth Ring, P.M.H. Atwater although published- what qualifies them as "knowers". More anon. Regards Mayagaia 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great work..

On copyediting the Hinduism article, thank you, thank you. Cheers! Arjun 03:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Sorry about that, I did something wrong that gave you that warning. I mistakenly reverted one of your good edits. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 03:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swastika note

Hello, in addition to your comments, for sorting purposes, could you please answer the questions in the Guidelines section. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 07:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

I don't know if you've been following the discussion on User talk:Hamsacharya dan, but perhaps you could take a peek if you haven't. I've worked with him to remove all but one of the "differences" notes, but the last one involved Mahavatar Babaji and Krishna vs. Shiva, etc. I think you may have written it or at least started it. I suggested that Hamsacharya Dan discuss your concerns with you, as he'd like to find some way to remove it from the article. I'm not completely clear whether there are parts of the article which it still addresses. A Ramachandran 18:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Priyanath. As you know, we've discussed this one in the past. At this point, do you have any objection to removing this from the article? Hamsacharya dan 06:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts to Hinduism

I posted a message to the anonymous user who my VP went wild on. I don't do automatic reverts, I do them manually, and somehow that revert was executed when it was clearly not warranted. So, my version is not working correctly, because I only make reverts to obvious vandalism. It is not the only time this has happened, so I will cease to use VP until a better, more reliable programs come around. Popups works just fine for now. Neonblak 05:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lahiri Mahasaya disciple

Hi Priyanath,

I'd like to add a reference to another disciple of Satya Charan Lahiri Mahasaya: Yogi Prakesh Shankar Vyas (Guruji).

What is the process of doing so? Best regards Ilyali 16:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

See my response on your Talk page. ॐ Priyanath talk 01:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] adding reference to Yogi Prakash Shankar Vyas

Hi Priyanath, thanks much for you help. I edited the page. I have one more question. Am I allowed to add a link to add a link to a page with information about him under category Kriya Yoga Teachers and Organizations Ilyali 02:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can you believe this???!!!!

[2] and A Ramachandran. The internet is a strange place... Hamsacharya dan 04:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal on Kriya Yoga page

Hey Priyanath, I included a proposal on the Kriya Yoga discussion page to which I'd be happy to hear your comments.

Silentswan 00:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] neo-Buddhist racism against Hindus

Can you help me tackle pig-headed racists on Wikipedia who keep reverting my changes? They are extremely jealous and want to hide the truth. They keep vandalising my changes in Shiva, Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu, Dasarajna, and Hindu and others but these are the main ones. Thanks Maleabroad —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.159.32.216 (talk) 01:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] My RFA
Thank You,
Priyanath/archive3 for your Support!
Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.


...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your overwhelming support, I really feel honored that you feel that way. ~ Arjun 20:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on Indian Mathematics

I thought you might be interested (at your convenience). Talk:Indian_mathematics#Request_for_comment:Indian_Mathematics Feedback is requested for a problem on the Indian mathematics page. The issue is disagreement between two users on whether entire versions should be reverted or better citations pointed out and procured on demand. Freedom skies| talk  11:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kriya Yoga

Hey Priyanath, I hope your travels are going well. I have made some comments on the KY talk page. I think it's something that we may be able to agree upon (I hope). Please take a look when you get a chance. I've been getting some resistance from some first-time editor (I think we can all deduce pretty easily who it is). Anyway, all the best to you, and see you (apparently) soon. --Hamsacharya dan 16:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

I hope you've enjoyed your break! GizzaChat © 08:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha! If you see this, you will notice that my heart is with India and am obviously quite disappointed just like the other billion fans. But is doesn't matter too much. I have Viveka and Vairagya :) I hope to see you on Hinduism pages once again. Btw, an excellent new user has arrived Buddhipriya, who has already improved many articles. GizzaChat © 06:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family tree template for Mahabharata and Ramayana

Thank you for the template. I will try it out. I'll also think about implementing the avatar/surrogate mom/100sons/'god' father situation .. Cheers Vinwe 14:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WP:India

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[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the revert on my talk page. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 06:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)