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[edit] Requested move

Q: Just trying to figure out what Mamixa's actual title is. The title of this page, it seems that her official title is The Princess of Orange, but on the Dutch monarchy's website, she is referred to as Princess Maxima of the Netherlands. Just curious, but does anyone know which is right???Prsgoddess187

A: Princess Maxima is not legally entitled to use Princess of Orange. Upon her marriage, Maxima was created Princess of the Netherlands in her own right, as the government feels that the only person to use the title "Prince/Princess of Orange" should be the heir to the throne. The Dutch monarchy website is correct, Wikipedia is wrong.

Thanks for the answer. How much trouble do you think it would cause to move the page? If she is not entitled to Princess of Orange, her page needs to be moved.Prsgoddess187 12:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Agree In that case I would agree with Prsgoddess187 to have this moved to the correct title. If this is what the Dutch government says is her name and title, obviously they would know best what the correct way is. Gryffindor 10:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

AgreeMac Domhnaill 23:54, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

AgreeOriginalbigj 19:31, 10 October 2005

[edit] Discision

Page moved - have a good day!!! Ryan Norton T | @ | C 06:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] crown or not /princess

Isn't she Crown Princess of the Netherlands? Everywhere I see her husband referred as Crown Prince, but she seems to be just a princess. ObRoy 01:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Where do you see her titled as Crown Princess? I believe that the Netherlands is in the same situation as the United Kingdom in that the heir to the throne simply is not titled Crown Prince. The difference though is that the Netherlands does not automatically extend titles to the wives of princes. Maxima had to be created a Princess of the Netherlands and a Princess of Orange-Nassau. Even if the Dutch had the title of Crown Prince, the use of Crown Princess has not legally been extended to Maxima. Charles 01:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Precisely, I do not see HER titled as Crown Princess, contrary to your belief. Whereas her husband's article begins with "Crown Prince..." - and that crown prince is in quite many other places too, when browsing internet. Besides, what makes Netherlands so different in that grant aspect - there are certainly other realms too where a grant is needed. ObRoy 02:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems to be then that the Netherlands treats the crown princely title the same as the title of Prince of Orange --- only the heir may bear them. Charles 02:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
And now you construct Netherlands an exception... what if the "crown prince" mentioned in W-A's article is only some vernacular... ObRoy 03:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
My previous statement was only relevant if the article on W-A is true. Before that though, I doubted that it was. I still do. Charles 03:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
According to the Dutch Royal Family's website, he is only mentioned as The Prince of Orange, no mention of Crown Prince. I think that his article is misworded, it should probably start out with Prince W-A, PoOrange. Prsgoddess187 11:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cerruti her legal name ?????

Q: As I know it, Cerruti is an addition to Maxima's name, invented by a certain poster on royal message boards. He likes the nobles and royals to have names which sound as grand as possible. However, to have the mother's maiden name added after the father's name is not the argentinian custom. Is there really any proof Maxima actually had Cerruti as a part of her legal name when she married into royalty ?? Vupti 14:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I really doubt that was something "invented by a certain poster on royal message boards"; although it's not common, actually many Argentines have the mother's maiden name added after the father's name. —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 05:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Uninvolved"

but the research the Dutch Parliament did in order to accept Máxima Zorreguieta as spouse to the future King, determined her father was uninvolved with the deaths. (An estimated 10,000-30,000 people disappeared during this and subsequent military regimes before democracy was restored to Argentina in 1983).

In the Dutch press attempts were even made, to make the people believe, that "he didn't know about that". This didn't stop, untill somebody in a letter to the editor posed the question, whether that minister happened to be on the Water-Closet, any time that kind of things was spoken about in the Council of Ministers. James Blond 05:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Incognito'

In an interview, they stated that he introduced himself only as "Alexander" so she did not know he was a prince. She thought he was joking when he told her he was a prince.

And when she asked:"Alexander who?" the answer was: "Van Buren"; and that his brother was also working for a bank in NY. But why did it had to take place at that Spanish costumed festival? Well, otherwise, one would say, when hearing this fairy tail, that although he didn't mention his full name, she would have recognized him anyway. Evidently however, by telling this story, the risk is taken for granted, one could say, that due to that costume, she may have thought, it was some Spaniard she met. A typical carnival-relationship so. Veritas simplex. Lies are complicating things. James Blond 07:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Princess of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Mevrouw of Amsberg.

There's no Princedom of Orange any more. There's no Princedom of Nassau any more. The title prince or princess only belongs to possible successors of a throne. "Mevrouw of Amsberg" is: "Misses Von Amsberg", and not "Misses of Amsberg". The translation in English of the word Von here would be "from"; "Misses from Amsberg", so and to be consequent: "Misses from Amsmountain". Ha! James Blond 12:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hair colour

Her hair is dark, but since her stay in Northern-Europe it is as good as always bleached. As a matter of fact it is made the more light, the more northern the province or country she visits, is situated.

Is this really true? Especially the latter part seems kind of weird. No mention of this on the Dutch wikipedia page, and if I look at a picture of her on the royal website when she was young, she looks pretty much like a natural blonde to me (although the picture is black/white). It would be nice to quote a source, or else remove it...

[edit] Missing Info

There should be some discussion of Maxima's religion and any complications/accomodations made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.59.205 (talk) 04:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reassess B to start

A B class requirement is that it has some gaps or missing elements or references
I interpret this as "some missing references" are acceptable (ie a substantial part of the article is referenced). This article does not list a single reference. Therefore it does not meat this requirement and cannot be assessed at B class. Arnoutf (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)