Talk:Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll

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[edit] Missing History

At the end of this very informative article is a list of Canadian Regiments that still bear the name of Princess Louise.

Unfortunately however there is no mention of the British Regiments that fought in both the first and second world wars, and indeed 41 (Princess Louise of Kensington) Signal Squadron which still operates today within 31 Signal Regiment, and which has a significant role in UK Operations.

Would someone please research this and amend the article?

Many thanks.

[edit] Princess Louise vs. Albert Lacombe

According to historian Elie Auclair, Alberta was named in honor of missionary Albert Lacombe. Why is Princess Louise usually credited with the origin of the name ?

The Marquis of Lorne's correspondence and memoirs make it clear that he named Alberta after his wife: http://www.assembly.ab.ca/lao/library/louise/conclu.htm Indefatigable 15:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is silly....

Surely saying that she was the most attractive of her sisters is a little POV? Just going on the photos that are currently on the pages, I would definitely have said Victoria. But perhaps a better picture could be found. On the other hand, if she was generally considered the most attractive of the sisters at the time and this is of any importance, someone should add a reference. 91.105.5.19 13:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

She was greatly admired by her contemporaries as the most beautiful and flirtatious of all of her sisters. There are many sources for this, but this is one that I have to hand: "...she was the queen's [Victoria's] most beautiful daughter..." (Mark Stocker, ‘Louise, Princess, duchess of Argyll (1848–1939)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, Sept 2004; online edn, May 2006 accessed 25 Dec 2007). I've therefore changed "least unattractive" to "most attractive". I will also try and get a clearer photo uploaded. PeterSymonds | talk 07:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time in Canada

I've removed from the opening paragraph the line about her 'evincing considerable boredom'. This is adequately and appropriately referenced in the section dealing with her time in Canada and does not belong to the general brief introduction to her - to have that statement there makes out it was her singular and most important attribute. Plutonium27 (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, good move. Not appropriate for such a short lead. PeterSymonds | talk 15:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

princess louise, duchess of argyll 70.237.239.56 (talk) 04:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] commoner marriages

No British princess had married a commoner since Mary Tudor married Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk, in 1515.

Charles was made a duke before that marriage. Or does "commoner" here mean "non-royal"? —Tamfang (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Commoner in this case means non royal (see mediatization). Commoner doesn't technically mean a peer, though I've used it to distinguish between noble and royal blood. PeterSymonds | talk 08:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
The linked article commoner begins "In British law, a commoner is someone who is neither the Sovereign nor a peer." jnestorius(talk) 09:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
All biographies state that Louise was the first daughter of a Sovereign to marry a commoner. An example: "The queen claimed that the marriage was ‘the most popular act of my reign’ (Fulford, 305) and the press generally hailed it for striking a ‘democratic’ note, Louise being the first daughter of a sovereign since 1515 to marry a commoner." from the Oxford DNB article. The ODNB is an extremely authoritative source; I doubt they'd use the word "commoner" incorrectly. PeterSymonds | talk 10:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
If the word "commoner" is being used here in a different sense from that of the Wikipedia article, then at a minimum this article should not wikilink to that article, which is as wrong as linking Mickey Mouse to Pluto instead of to Pluto, and a good deal less obvious. Even better would be to amend that article to take account of the variety of meanings of "commoner". jnestorius(talk) 10:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Bringing up mediatization in a non-German context invites confusion. —Tamfang (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
German Mediatization has its separate article, though. The noun has the same meaning, whatever nationality you are, so it would mean the same outside German context. PeterSymonds | talk 23:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point. I've unlinked commoner for now. PeterSymonds | talk 16:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not linked :) PeterSymonds | talk 16:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
No? It was linked on DYK. Oh well. jnestorius(talk) 16:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the problem is the understanding of the actual word and how it's used. Technically, on thought, the ODNB is technically wrong in stating that she was the first daughter of the British Sovereign to marry a commoner, because Charles Brandon was Duke of Suffolk – of noble rank, and therefore not a commoner by definition. I've found another way to say it. No such marriage had been given official recognition since 1515, when Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk, married Mary Tudor. Would this be suitable as a replacement? PeterSymonds | talk 17:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I replaced it anyway :) PeterSymonds | talk 20:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Protect it?

I have seen this page be vandalized many times since it has been posted as a FA. Maybe someone should protect it. kkarma 05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

To be honest I don't think it's necessary. The TFA always gets vandalised more than often than other articles, and looking at the history, the vandalism doesn't seem to be too bad at the moment. PeterSymonds | talk 07:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Street names

Many of the streets in Brandon, Manitoba are named after people who were involved in the building of the Canadian Pacific railroad. Two of the downtown streets are Princess Avenue and Louise Avenue. They are on either side of Lorne Avenue, so Lord Lorne is surrounded by his wife. 216.36.132.66 (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, there are a number of things named after Louise, especially in Canada. I like the confluence of streets, though, very interesting; but I can't find a reference to back up the name. Thanks! PeterSymonds | talk 16:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)