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Update biography TODO

Somebody really needs to bring her biography up to the level of Anakin, Luke, and Han. --LtNOWIS 22:00, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've taken a step towards it. It could use some more detail, but at least now it does not omit practically the whole of the Expanded Universe. --Maru (talk) Contribs 01:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Somebody needs to expand on Leia's Force powers, strength, and lightsaber training 06:23 January 19 2006 (UTC)

Titles

If you want to add new titles for Leia, (ie Princess, First Chairman, Grand Poobah etc) PLEASE don't just replaced the one that's there. It's there for a reason- to link her with preceeding Senators of Alderaan. If you replace the text, it stuffs it up. If you want to add more titles, add more boxes. --QuentinGeorge 06:10, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Need better image

Somebody REALLY needs to find a more appropriate image... --Frenchman113 21:05, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Really, how can we have an article on her without a shot of her in the metal bikini? :D --Golbez 06:55, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
We did, but Frenchman113 complained. --Kross 09:00, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for pissing you guys off, I really didn't care that much. I was just thinking that some christian fundamentalist would change it anyway. --Frenchman113 21:43, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
We don't really have any information on Leia's role in RotJ either... Perhaps a new section on that, including the metal bikini?
What do you mean, "some Christian fundamentalist would change it anyway"? Am I the ONLY one who would really care about that kind of stuff? Are you ALL just a bunch of Christian-hating editors? I agree that, since the metal bikini seems to be very popular, it would be difficult to have an article without an image of her in the bikini, but let's not get into a Christian-bashing discussion here! --Scorpionman 03:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Her profession is described as a senator. The first picture of her on the page shouldn't be her in a metal bikini and it shouldn't be her hefting a blaster either. It should be more dignified. Put the other pictures further down on the page if you want, but her character serves a greater purpose than eye candy and deserves more respect than that. 216.242.114.115 19:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Biblically there is nothing against Leia's slave costume. All her "private parts" are covered and that is all the Bible explicitly says is needed for "modesty". Saying "some Christian fundamentalists" would object is wrong because that is not a "Christian" view at all, merely a personal view created from personal opinion, what is acceptable in society at the time and how they grew up. Yes may Christians do tend to be “old fashion” as many would say nowadays, but from a strictly Christian point of view she's fine. Any LESS clothing and yes then you might have a problem but I'm pretty sure Wikipedia prohibits those kinds of images. --The Matrix Prime 03:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not prohibit such images, but that's beside the point because there aren't any such images of Leia. =) Powers 17:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
If you ask me it needs to be an actual shot from the movie. That picture of her in the bikini in the ROTJ section doesn't have the collar or chain. So it's probaly just a pose she did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animasage (talk • contribs) 21:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Y'all need a better image? how 'bout better images!. Thats right! I just put in a TON of images of leia, with two of them in her bikini. The ones I put in aren't so robust and pop out large, but i included the old one that you argued wasn't in the movie. i included the link to that one, and i have an image of leia on there. Jackson Smith 01:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Leia's Lightsaber

I'm just curious whether or not Leia constructed her own lightsaber during the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. I know Luke managed to construct a lightsaber that all his own, but did Leia construct a lightsaber that's all her own?

I believe she did. --Maru (talk) Contribs 01:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


"Born Leia Amidala Skywalker"

That one is a complicated issue, because Padme's real last name was Naberrie, not Amidala. I believe Leia's full name is Leia Naberrie Skywalker Organa Solo.

Her name 'Leia Amidala Skywalker' is stated in the Star Wars Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary. Actually, Leia Amidala Skywalker just happens to be her birth name. It is later changed to Leia Organa when she gets adopted by Bail Organa. --Jill Tan 19:26, 11 June 2005 (UTC)
Why is she "Leia Amidala Skywalker" and her brother is plain "Luke Skywalker". Shouldn't he be "Luke Amidala Skywalker". Giving children both their mother's and father's name doesn't seem common in GFFA. Leia's kids Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo not Jacen Organa Solo or Jaina Skywalker Solo nor is Luke Skywalker's son Ben Jade Skywalker -12 March 2006 3:40 UTC
I have no clue. We're just going by what the canon sources have said so far. The Wookieepedian 06:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Isn't the surname Solo a spoiler? The original triology gave the impression that she might have been in love with her own brother (which before the 3rd film, 6th episode, was an unknown fact). For that, isn't the birth surname Skywalker another spoiler? In fact, in the recently released 3rd episode she is named "Leia", simply. As she is adopted by Senator Organa, she is given his family surname. As for Luke, his entry on Wikipedia states that his surname is given after his father for unknown reasons, but it's not a spoiler since he is known to be Anakin's son in the 3rd episode and is early self-proclaimed Luke Skywalker in the 4th when rescuing Leia.
You know, I am glad to see that the ones writing the Star Wars books treat Padme and her name with respect. Giving Leia the names of Naberrie and Skywalker is fair to both parents, and really how people should treat the issue. Just adding my two cents to the argument. --The Wookieepedian 11:39, 5 October 2005 (UTC
I find strange that, in a very far galaxy, and a long time ago, peoples have this typical American way to call women. I think that it's irritating to add husbands' surnames to the proper surnames of married women, humiliating for them, considering that men don't add their wives' surnames. For what I know, this is a custom typical of USA and gives a sense of strangeness, of alienation, applied to a different galaxy in a science-fiction saga. I think proper that everyone had his/her own surname, taken from father or mother. In every case, Leia is called Organa in the original movies, and I think that this surname is enough. --Val
Finally! Someone who sees it the way I do! When I tried to change the article to "Leia Organa" over at the star wars wiki, they attacked me with their twisted ideas, insisting she be called "Leia Organa Solo." You would think that, as you say, a civilization as advanced as that of the Star Wars galaxy would be a little more advanced culturally, as well. Somehow, I just don't see Leia, Padme, or Mara Jade taking their husband's surnames. Of course, as I pointed out over at the star wars wiki, these characters and stories were written by earthly humans, mostly americans, who have this strange mindset of "men are superior to women and control women," so, what can you expect? It may be "canon" that they take their husband's surnames, but that just doesn't seem like much of a characteristic of that Galaxy of people. The resident's of that galaxy would be more, well, equal, and would be about as far away ffrom the traditional American ideals as possible. And yes, believe it or not, you are hearing this from a guy, so... --The Wookieepedian 13:12, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
The reason why she is called Leia Organa Solo is because that is what she calls herself in the Star Wars Universe. Even characters like Mara Jade and Mirax Terrik also call themselves with their husbands surnames. However, there are some characters like Padmé who didn't take her husband's surname. Even her sister Sola Naberrie kept her surname and also passed it down to her children, excluding her husband's one. So this shows that in the Star Wars universe, it is actually up to a woman whether she wants to take her husband's surname upon marriage and how she and her husband would want to name their children. At the Star Wars Wiki, it is their policy to name the characters by their latest names, and since Leia decided that she is to be called Leia Organa Solo, that is what she is to be called in that Wiki as it is her latest name in the Star Wars universe. Yes it's true that the Star Wars books are written by earthly humans, but don't forget that the Star Wars Universe is actually conceived by George Lucas who is an earthly human as well. Besides, it doesn't mean that when a woman takes her husband's surname means that her husband is superior to her. It's because that's how society is like even in today's world! I know a lot of successful women who don't depend on their husbands but still they took their husbands' surname upon marriage. Even if the Star Wars galaxy is considered equal to both men and women, they still have their own traditions and cultures as well. Also, what does it matter? It's only a name! It's not like Leia's position has been turned down just because she's a woman. She even became Chief of State of the New Republic and is also one of the most highly respected people in the galaxy. You know what, you're hearing this from a girl! And I don't find it disrespectful when woman takes after her husband's surname and that she is inferior to him. Just as long as she has the freedom to what both men and women can do today. --Anon.


Shouldn't it just be Leia Organa and not Solo since it is never mentioned in the movies if she does marry Han Solo. The expanded universe is typically just canon and goes into the realm of possibility but not reality. Who's not to say that Leia marries the son of Darth Maul's brother? It is never really 100% positive she does marry Han.

  • Yes it is. The EU makes that very clear. And, for film purists, Lucas has stated that Leia marrying Han is what he "envisions" would happen. The Wookieepedian 23:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It doesn't get any more official than the Star Wars website, and here's Leia's databank entry: [1]. Note that it's alphabetized under Solo. Powers 00:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Quotations

I question whether the Quotations section is really all that necessary. I think it could be deleted entirely, but if not, I think it should be edited so only relevant, important quotes are retained (it seems like a lot aren't necessary). It also needs to be formatted better. – Mipadi 01:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


Hairstyle

I know this is rather trivial, but shouldn't there be at least some mention of the Episode IV hairstyle? --AnonMoos 18:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe something mentioned at the beginning of the ROTJ section about her changed her.--Animasage 21:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Young marriageable Hopi Indian women wear a very elaborate "Squash Blossom" hairdo that superficially resembles Princess Leia's. It takes a hairdresser about an hour to make. Some references for this are [2], [3], and [4]. Josh-Levin@ieee.org 21:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

There was actually a not too unusual hairstyle amongst fashionable ladies in 14th century Europe that closely resembles Leia's 'cinnamon bun' hair. I don't know how important that would be to mention. Also I don't feel like trying to track down the sources; I've studied medieval costume for many years and have seen probably a thousand pictures or more and can't always remember from which book I saw which picture, and don't really feel like tracking the bun-hair down at the moment. --68.35.94.119 06:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

RfC/poll – Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker: one article or two?

So, who's her daddy? What do you think? E Pluribus Anthony 19:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Comcast key?

There was a Comcast key hidden in the Killik Twilight? Not only were the rebels trying to overthrow the Empire; they were pirating cable, too? Is that right? --EngineerScotty 20:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

You'd think that the Rebels would've learned of the dangers of pirating cable from Sealab 2021. – Mipadi 21:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Name

If we are going to rename this, shouldn't it be Leia Organa Solo? The Wookieepedian 16:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

  • She is more commonly known as Princess Leia to most fans. Here in Wikipedia we name articles on people by using their names which are most well-known by the public. The reason why I moved the page is because there already another page on another and different Princess Leia. I then made the Princess Leia page a disambiguation page which will lead readers to the two Princess Leia articles. Also, adding Solo to it would easily give away a spoiler (that she married Han Solo) to those who don't know anything about her or the Star Wars universe. DivineLady 17:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
    • That's what I thought. I was wondering why you changed it in the first place, as she is more commonly known as "Princess Leia," than "Princess Leia Organa." So I thought that if you were going to go ahead and change it, why you wouldn't change it all the way. But, I see your point now. The Wookieepedian 21:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

With her bare hands

I've often wondered how far Jabba the Hut took his molesting of Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi. When Leia killed Jabba on the floating barge. There seemed to be a lot of hostility in the act and her eyes were very angry. Was all of this rage from a couple of sloppy kisses that the film showed? Or was there more? Did he possible sexually assault her? What do you think?

The thought alone disgusts me. However, the first question that comes to my mind when considering this is "How would Hutts have sex, anyway?" The Wookieepedian 07:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Those are good questions. But gross. Considering how the reason the green dancer was killed was because she refused to have sexual actions with him that is a possibility. This brings another question though, How did they get Leia to change? Forcing her to do it or forcing it on her?--Animasage 21:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That thought is so......personally disturbing i don't even want to think of it. It makes me cower to think of what she dealt with if the latter happened....'large shudder'. -Starwarsfighter

Leia as Jabba's Slave: What Really Happened

I fully support the popular notion that Jabba did, in fact, "molest" Leia to certain degrees. My theory, however, is supported by several facts presented by what the movie actually shows, and not by the innacuracies of fan fiction or the imaginatively lewd imagery of locker-room talk.

The first of these "facts" is that an unspecified period of time had lapsed between her capture and the first shot of her in slave garb sitting before him - this completely dispels the notion that Jabba didn't have enough time to do anything to her.

Fact #2: Leia went from wearing her Boussh costume to wearing a highly exotic "metal bikini," as well as being chained by her neck to Jabba's throne, during her time as his slave.

Fact #3: Jabba obviously enjoyed sexually humiliating females. This is exemplified by all the various scantily-clad women (human and otherwise) strutting around his palace, frequently seen performing exotic dances at his every beck and call.

Fact #4: Look at Oola's reaction to Jabba when he was pulling her chain (a noteworthy act in itself - he's trying to pull her to himself); she resists his orders, attempting to pull her chain away from him, terribly upset and scared. As a result, Jabba has her killed.

Fact #5: Jabba seems to enjoy "making passes" at Leia. When she's first captured, he pulls her to himself very closely (and if observed carefully, it is apparent that Jabba makes an emphasis on pressing Leia's lower body close to his own), and proceeds to "slop-kiss" her. Then some time later (perhaps several days?), after she's been forced into the now-famous "metal bikini," Leia is repeatedly pulled closely to Jabba, including during a suggestively erotic repeat of their original embrace while on the Sail Barge - and this latter instance is another fact in itself.

Fact #6: Jabba had pulled Leia's chain, to be true, but Leia made a deliberate effort of running to him, leaping onto his throne, rising before Jabba, and pressing her lower body against his before fully leaning into him, after which Bib Fortuna places his hand on her back to keep her close. This brings me to the last fact...

Fact #7: Leia hardly flinches while with Jabba. When he first captures her and licks his lips, she groans and turns her head away in disgust. However, from then on, every shot of the two of them shows Leia looking unhappy, but not grossed out. Even as Jabba pulls her to himself in the aforementioned Sail Barge scene - even as her bare belly pressing against his squishy, inhuman flesh - Leia does not show any sign of disgust, but only worry for her friends. Obviously, Leia had to have gone through much personal change in her time with Jabba, namely getting used to the feeling of his loathsome touch.

In retrospect, it is safe to assume that A--Leia spent more than one night with Jabba as his slave, B--Jabba forced Leia into the metal bikini during this time, and C--Jabba had performed actions upon Leia/forced Leia into performing actions which resulted in her relaxation around his presence.

I rest my case.

Questions? USEFUL comments? E-mail me at starsidetraveller@gmail.com

I think that Fact#6 is just bad acting

Your statements are either over heated speculation or circumstantial. --maru (talk) contribs 04:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Maru nailed it on the head. I was going to reply to you when you first posted this theory, but I couldn't muster the strength to actually explain why a.) this is unencyclopedic, b.) this should be kept to fan-forum discussion and not on the talk page of a factual (whatever that may be) article, and c.) why your statements are prime examples of original research. As such... I'm trying to be civil, but there is no way that these speculations are going to be included without some heavy citation. Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 16:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the only "theory" here is that nothing of this kind occured between Jabba and Leia. The fact that it DID is substantiated by many other facts, from both Canon and Expanded Universe (which are now considered canon, if to a lesser degree than the six films) sources. The only thing not documented is what the exact acts of molestation were, which we're all better off for. However, Starsidetraveller(?)'s point was that molestation OCCURED--not what it was or to what degree. This is indeed fact. Starside is wrong for calling it a mere theory, although some of his facts were definitely evidence of original research, but that is all irrelevant because his main point is a proven fact.
Linuxbeak, you wanted heavy citation, but I really think you should provide some first. I really can't think of anything disproving this at all, not even to the point of classifying it as original research--it's obvious, it's intentional, and it's backed up by a lot of facts. If anyone still objects to this, I will provide very heavy citation. --Scannerx rephain@gmail.com 11:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I would like citation, as I remember nothing of the sort. --maru (talk) contribs 17:41, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so I'm assuming we all agree that Jabba did these things with previous slaves, which means the topic under discussion is IF he did that to Leia. If that's not the case, and you just don't think Jabba would do that to any of his slave girls . . . well, then, that's a whole other discussion entirely (on Jabba's Wikipedia page, I would assume). So for now, it's the topic at hand.
I'll just present the facts and not my own opinions. Now I would really appreciate seeing some facts that discount what happened to Leia, so we can at least decide if it's open to speculation.
1) In TheForce.Net's interview with Femi Taylor, the actress who played Oola, Scott Chitwood asked her what the filmmakers told her about the character of Oola. "I was setting the scene for Carrie Fisher. . . . I was held in captivity to give pleasure to this slug-like creature Jabba, and my hopes were to escape from this horrible existence, or barring that way, to die cleanly and well and escape that way. My sadness came from my life being at the mercy of his webbed hands."
2) Immediately after Leia is captured, in the Return of the Jedi novelization, page 25:
"We have powerful friends Jabba. You will soon regret this . . ."
"I'm sure, I'm sure," the old gangster rumbled with glee, "but in the meantime, I will thoroughly enjoy the pleasure of your company."
He pulled her eagerly to him until their faces were mere inches apart, her belly pressed to his oily snake skin.
....
Threepio peeked out momentarily, then immediately withdrew again. "Oh no, I can't watch."
Foul beast that he was, Jabba poked his fat, dripping tongue out to the princess, and slopped a beastly kiss squarely on her mouth.
3) After Han is thrown into his dungeon cell, RotJ novelization, page 26:
Leia! The star captain's stomach dropped at the thought of what must be happening to her now. If only he knew where he was. Tentatively he knocked on the wall behind him. Solid rock.
What could he do?
....
Money? Jabba had more than he could ever count. Pleasures? Nothing could give Jabba more pleasure than to defile the princess and kill Solo.
(Read this with the previous bold statement in mind)
4) Again, right after Leia's capture, this time in Tales From Jabba's Palace, page 114 ("The Whiphid's Tale"):
Jabba smiled, then turned to leer at the human female (in reference to Leia) with the same cruel lechery he had gazed on the Twi'lek dancer. His slimy lips gleamed with spittle.
....
There was still time. As much time as Jabba remained preoccupied with the human female.
5) Right after that, in Tales From Jabba's Palace, page 217:
As the band launched into 'Ode to a Radioactive Ruin,' two dancing girls stripped off Leia's clothes
6) Mara Jade's flashback to her undercover assignment in Jabba's Palace, from "Mara Jade -- By the Emperor's Hand":
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1658/marajade2big1go.jpg
7) RotJ novelization, page 30, as Luke and Bib Fortuna approach Jabba's throne:
Luke saw Leia seated there, now, by Jabba's belly. She was chained at the neck and dressed in the skimpy costume of a dancing girl. He could feel her pain immediately, from across the room -- but he said nothing, didn't even look at her, shut her anguish completely out of his mind. For he needed to focus his attention entirely on Jabba.
8) And finally, there is actually a shot of it occuring in the film, although only a glimpse during a panning shot to avoid being graphic. Jabba is shown molesting her as Luke, Han and Chewbacca are being brought to his throne, right before she says, "I'm here." Jabba stops when he begins announcing the fate of his prisoners. In the novelization, she even lies to Han "to put him at ease" by saying "I'm fine, but I don't know how much longer I can hold off your slobbering friend here," even as he is still stroking her. Han can't see this. (Novelization quotes from page 36)
So there are the citations. I think it's undeniable, but then, I do admit I have a bias for my own views. So if you can disprove it, that's fine -- this is a place for fact, not popular views. At the very least, though, I think that the article should say that the sexuality is STRONGLY implied, and popularly believed to be true. -- Scannerx 23:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
If you can attribute it to fans other than yourself, that'd be alright. --maru (talk) contribs Nakin
So I'm assuming you didn't approve of my citations -- but yeah, I'll do some (non-original) research to back up the popular view thing. Maybe you could do some, too...? -- Scannerx 00:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
*raises hand* Here's at least one fan to whom it attributes. Good arguments, Scannerx. Also, to clarify citation #8, the "molestation" in question was mostly Leia squirming to pull away from Jabba while he was forcibly rubbing her right shoulder and pulling on the chain attached to her neck. His insistence of her staying close to him is further exemplified as Luke and the others are being led out for the Sarlaac execution. Luke says "That's the last mistake you'll ever make," Jabba laughs, and with a quick tug, Leia falls back against his belly, and Jabba's hand falls down onto her shoulder again. Could the evidence be any more obvious? -- User:theotherness

I'm just wondering how the "long period of time" statement can be justified (re: Leia's captivity with Jabba). Jabba's dungeons aren't exactly the cleanest of places, but when Han, Luke and Chewie are sentenced to be thrown into the Sarlacc, Han's shirt is a nice crisp white still! He can't have been in the dungeon for long. Unless the Gamorrean Guards have a wonderful laundry service that is :)

In response to the clean clothes: Remember, its only a movie. Not everything needs to make sense. If it did, then our creative industry would be in shambles, woudln't it?
It can be justified as "a long period of time" by the fact that Jabba's palace had just recently had the disturbance of Leia's intrusion. You can imagine all that Leia went through between point A, of being discovered, point B, to when she was first given the slave bikini, point C, to the point where she had begun to be utterly submissive and sit quietly and undefiantly next to Jabba, who had a history of sexually enslaving his slave girls, point D.

How does this discussion of Jabba sexually abusing Leia have anything to do with making this article better? I see no point unless you want to include all this! In my opinion, you just love talking about leia and how she looks so sexy in that ridiculously skimpy golden bikini!- anonymous

Shouldn't it be known exactly what happens? I know it may sound like being obsessed with the sexyness of Leia in her slave bikini (she was dubbed the #1 nerd fantasy by Maxim, after all), but this is more then just speculation, it is strongly backed by pieces of evidence not only in other Star Wars works that revolve around this time, but also within the movie itself. I mean, Leia doesn't exactly look like she's jumping at every chance to escape now, is she? Woudln't that mean she's gotten used to her position, but her resistance still shows that she knew what the evil Hutt wanted from her? I just think its worth noting and whomever is putting this up seems to feel in a simular way, y'know?

Okay. Well, i read over the facts, and those would be great to include in the RoTJ section. Anonymous.

Cut content

I just cut an entire section from the article. It was labeled "Talents and appearances", but nothing in it had anything to do with either, and was written very, very poorly. I also removed a bullet from the trivia for the same reason. Feel free to re-add them after rewriting them; I would have done it myself, but I'm short on time. EVula 19:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Look Like Her Mom

Why is it that Princess Leia doesn't look like Padme? She's supposed to be her daughter. She also doesn't bear any resemblance to Anakin. I mean, of course, it's just a question of casting, but why did they have to pick Natalie Portman for Padme's role? They should have chose someone who resembled Leia more. Padme just looks far more beautiful than Leia. Yeah, and Luke also didn't have the looks of his father.

You people! It's a just a goddamned flipping movie! Who cares if the actors don't resemble each other, they aren't really relatives and the charecters don't really exist! Sure, George Lucas made an incosistency because the old movies are the last three, wha else is new! GET OVER IT!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.5.121.190 (talk • contribs) .
I think you're a bit too picky. Acting ability and a basic resemblence are far more important than close resemblences. Powers T 01:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Escapee?

As Princess Leia escaped from the Death Star and the Imperials' death sentence on her, does that make her a Fictional escapee? Siyavash 18:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No, she was resqued, so that would make her a fictional Damsel in distress, or possibly a pricess needing to be saved, like Princes Peach.

Memory of Padme

There really should be some verification of how Leia remembered Padme, considering how far-fetched a notion it is. I'm not accusing anyone who wrote this of fanwankery, as they were just stating the information that has been given, but the idea that Leia would say "She died when I was very young" instead of "She died giving birth to me" when she was five seconds old is just a bit silly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A gx7 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree wth you whole heartedly, but technically five seconds old is "very young". She wasn't lying when she said that, but I've heard of people remembering people who were alive when they're REALLY YOUNG even though they never knew them. It was rare though. Or, (I've said this fifteen flippin times today) George Lucas made an inconsistency because he made the last three episodes in the 1970's and he made the first three in the twentyfirst century. THAT IS MOST LIKELY THE EXPLANATION, because why don't you write a book, and release the sequel first then the first book, your bound to be somewhat inconsistent too. Or mabey the empire buld a giant ray and zapped the universe and turned everyone in Epsiodes IV, V, and VI nito stupid morons who use terms which don't accurately describe what happened! The horror! Why didn't they blow up that instead of the death star! Yeah, I hold on the George Lucas screwed up because he wrote the last three first and first three last theory.

Spielberg?

Can someone back up the assertion that she is named for Steven Spielberg's mother? This is the first place I've heard it.

I'm the guy that originally posted this. I had heard in the media (I forget where or when) that George Lucas was at a party or social function, and so was his friend Steve Spielberg. He overheard Steve's mother being referred to as "LEH-uh", and thought it would be a good name his "Princess".
Sometime after this, I was at a family reunion at a resort in the Catskills, and a waitress pointed out that my brother greatly resembled Mr. Spielberg, and this launched a series of reminisces. It turns out that my mother, and Spielberg's mother, were girlhood friends a long long time ago, but not in a galaxy far far away, but rather in Cincinnati, Ohio. Actually, Leah Posner Spielberg Adler is about 4½ years older than my mother, and was a bit closer to one of my aunts. Those present at the family reunion indicated that it was a well-known fact that Princess Leia was named after Leah.
Wait, there's more. Leah was once engaged to marry my mother's first cousin, the late Rabbi Charles E. Israel. The engagement was broken off, she married Arnold Spielberg, and the rest is history.
Leah is currently the proprietress of a Kosher dairy bar in the Hollywood area. I would provide the name of her establishment, but then she might be inundated with phone calls. My mother, my brother, and his wife and kids visited there once. Leah came up to my brother, gave him a good lookover, and then commented "You look like Steve." Josh-Levin@ieee.org 21:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

how about making her dance

Jabba made his slave girls dance. So why is there nothing about leia dancing for Jabba? When oola didn't dance she was beat up. So why nothing about leia? She could not have layed there the whole time for his pleasure. --128.187.0.178 08:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)ranger101

Leia didn't have any experience. Besides her chain was shorter. She was more like a pet.--Unknownsage13 19:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Besides, the fact remains that we simply don't know if Leia danced for Jabba. We have no proof—the movie doesn't show it, and I don't think any of the books reveal it either. Saying Leia did dance for Jabba is speculation and should be avoided. Arwen Undomiel talk 21:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
In the Radio Play, this is actually referenced; during her first night in the palace, Lando comes to check on her. When he assures her tha Luke is on his way, she replies, "Well, he'd better make it soon. My dancing's not so good...I'm going to wind up in that pit a lot faster than Oola did!" June 6, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.202.56 (talk • contribs)
It might be that Leia was simply afraid Jabba would make her dance at a future time. I'm not Lucas, so I don't know, but please remember Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Arwen Undomiel talk 23:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Er, actually, your argument is original research; if an official source (non-canonical though it may be) states something, it can be addressed in the article, as long as it isn't presented as fact (ie, it should say something about "In the radio adaptation, Leia expresses concern over her dancing abilities, yadda yadda"). EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I meant we simply don't know what happened. The above quote was vague and does not necessarily imply that Leia was forced to dance. The radio adaptions are canonical, so it might be OK to mention that statement if we don't state it as an absolute fact and if we reference it. Arwen Undomiel talk 00:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Fanfic

I don't have the time right now to remove the absolute shit that is the second paragraph of Return of the Jedi. Anyone else want to have a crack at writing a decent summary of her time in the movie? As much as I love that costume, the movie isn't entirely about that bikini... EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The only thing that would really be considered what you claim it to be is the ideas of stripping raping by Jabba's guards. There really isn't a point to add that, nor is there proof of any of Jabba's guards taking advantage of her. The only one you can make a case for is Jabba. I think perhaps just adding the note that there is a theory that she might have been a sex slave, just as some other user has put up, is enough on that note. I also can't stand the graphic details that some real horny toad is putting in. Why don't they just write a fanfic? lol. And for cryin' out loud, she escaped Jabba! Luke and Lando didn't die and she wasn't forced to remain Jabba's slave forever. That should be obviously some horny fanboy's fantasy. I think what is there now is fine though.

I have commented out the utter crap in the article until someone fixes or deletes it.--74.134.146.52 07:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

So I cleaned up all the soft core porn fanfic that someone inserted into the article. I rewrote it and I suspect that if someone wanted too, they could dig back into the archives and restore the original. Obviously, this is becoming a problem as some horny fan has a huge Leia in a slavegirl outfit crush. (Not that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't belong here) Jroyale 15:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Leia's Nightmare

Okay. With all the stuff people are saying about leia's sexual harassment, why does no one put it on the page? Seriously, the facts need to get out! - leialover —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackson Smith (talk • contribs) 01:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

Leia Political Affiliation

Could someone have an idea of Leia political leaning and affiliation? Right or Left, Republican or Democrat... I know that those are not in the Star Wars Universe but just to have an idea.207.134.243.138 18:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Bikini section

I gave the section a copy-edit, and took out most of what appeared to be original research or fanfiction like emotions, but it still needs work. It is overly long and seems to go over every little bit of the plot. Just thought I'd bring that up on here. Darthgriz98 02:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the article reads far too much into that one part of the movie. At times it felt disgustingly graphic in its descriptions and read more like a dirty novel than a wikipedia article. jbonner01.