Talk:Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy

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She isn't styled Honourable Lady Ogilvy so I moved back to here, Princess Alexandra of Kent. Astrotrain 20:32, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

Has her style changed, then? Proteus (Talk) 20:44, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't think she was ever officially styled Hon Lady Ogilvy. She is styled HRH Princess Alexandra per the court circular and the royal.gov.uk website. I can't see why she would add the lowly style of a Lady to her Princess style in any case.

In any case, her husband is dead, and I believe Wikipedia always use the pre-marital name for the title of women when the husband is dead. Astrotrain 20:57, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

No, pre-marital names are used of certain consorts when they themselves are dead. Such as dead queens. I doubt that Alexandra even is one of such consorts who reverses to pre-marital name on basis of that nomenclature rule. (Though I am somewhat against using the unnecessarily lengthening Hon L Ogilvy, let's however be honest how to use the "pre-marital convention".) 217.140.193.123 18:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Debrett's Correct Form has "the Hon. Lady Ogilvy" on the end of her style, and see this page on the Royal website. Princesses always add the "lowly" styles of their husbands on to the end of their Royal styles ("HRH The Princess Anne, Mrs Mark Phillips", for instance). As to your second paragraph, that's simply not true. Proteus (Talk) 21:10, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, I do realise that some sources add Hon Lady Ogilvy to her style. However, Alexandra is always styled HRH Princess Alexandra in the court circular and HRH Princess Alexandra of Kent before her marriage. I was under the belief that Princesses only add peerage titles to their style. Anne was never officially styled Mrs Mark Phillips.

My second point was that we have HRH Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark instead of HRH Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent. Also Wikipedia never use the Hon style in article titles.

Perhaps, we could add her Hon Lady Ogilvy to the introductory paragraph? Astrotrain 19:04, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)

The Court Circular often uses shortened versions of styles (it omits "the Rt Hon.", "the Most Hon." and "His/Her Grace" for peers, for instance), and the Princess Royal was indeed formally styled "Her Royal Highness The Princess Anne, Mrs Mark Phillips" between her first marriage and her creation as Princess Royal. "The Honourable" is indeed normally not used in article titles, but then it's normally at the beginning and can be snipped off quite easily - removing it in this case would leave Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy (which is actually what she should be styled, but that's another matter entirely). Princess Marina was at the wrong place. I've moved it. Proteus (Talk) 19:17, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It would be good if here in Wikipedia editors would omit titulary as much as the Court Circular - at least from article headings. IMO there is no need to put everything ionto the heading, a simpler version would be good. 217.140.193.123 18:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] HRH Princess Alexandra - Couture John Kavanagh

I am very blessed to have in my possesion 2 beautiful couture cocktail dresses worn by HRH. I now live in New Zealand and would dearly love to pass them on to someone who has the know how to preserve them. I have a letter of provenance. I may be travelling soon to the Uk.

banjip2000@paradise.net.nz

Angela Burton formerly of Cambridge

[edit] Styles according to London Gazette.

From her marriage to Angus Ogilvy to his being created a knight in 1989, she was styled "HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy."

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"The QUEEN has been pleased [...] to re-appoint Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy, G.C.V.O. (President), to be..."

"PRINCESS ALEXANDRA, THE HONOURABLE MRS. ANGUS OGILVY has been pleased to make the following appointments to Her Royal Highness's household..."

"Her Majesty The QUEEN is graciously pleased to order the following appointment: H.R.H. Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy, G.C.V.O., ..."

  • Sorry, forgot to show the source for that one. Matjlav 18:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Princess Alexandra was styled "HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy" from 1989 to 1997, unlike Proteus claims. The London Gazette refers to her as such:

(again, to view the links, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader)

"To be lieutenants: [...] Captain Robert Neil BLAIR, R.N., Private Secretary to [...] Princess Alexandra, the Honourable Lady Ogilvy"

"Her Majesty The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to give orders [...] for the following appointments: [...] Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra, the Honourable Lady OGILVY, G.C.V.O., ..."

"PRINCESS ALEXANDRA, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy has been pleased..."

The changes I'm about to make to the style list are quite well-backed, as you can see. If Proteus cites a reliable source to show me otherwise, I'd be glad to hear out his point, and I'm sure we could come to a consensus. But until then, keep it like it is. Matjlav 18:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • I may also want to add that a search for "Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy" returned NO hits. Matjlav 18:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Since Princess Alexandra's late husband was appointed to the Garter she has ALWAYS been offically HRH Princess Alexandra, the Hon. Lady Ogilvy not merely Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy.

Queen Brandissima

[edit] Image:Alexandra independence.jpg

This image is not marked as fair use and its source is unavailable. Can its status please be clarified? Johnleemk | Talk 09:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link with titles

just putting this here so it wont be lost [1]

[edit] Mistake in the arms

The description of the labels on the coat of arms does not match the illustration (central label is a cross of St. George rather than a heart). I believe the illustration is correct and the description is wrong. 80.216.67.89 14:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)