Talk:Prime minister
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 Archives |
[edit] are the external links here all necessary?
I would suggest moving the external links to more specific pages, rather than linking to every official prime ministerial page in the world from this one. For example, move http://www.premier-ministre.gouv.fr/en/ from here to Prime Minister of France; move http://eng.forsaetisraduneyti.is/ from here to Prime Minister of Iceland; and so on. Any objections? --Delirium (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] List of prime ministers by country
The removal of Palestine from the list of PM's by country has been reverted and the following message left on my home page. Surely this article discussion page is a better place for the explanation.
Hi. I reverted your last edit to that article, I'm afraid. You removed Palestine from the list of prime ministers by country, arguing that Palestine is not a country. While this is obviously technically true, I don't think it is an uncontroversial edit. As such, I think you should discuss on the talk page first whether or not Palestine should be removed from the list. If, then, consensus is reached that it should be removed, you are of course very free to remove it again. I hope this is okay with you, and you should by no mean think that your contributions are not appreciated. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 16:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Doright (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Lilac Soul, justifying your inclusion of Palestine in the List of Prime Ministers by Country, by asserting your belief that correcting the list is not an "uncontroversial edit" is inadequate. Please feel free to provide a substantive argument for why an entity that is not a country should be included in the list of Prime Ministers by Country. Your demand that your (as yet) unjustified reversion, should stand, a priori, is not supported by WP policy. I am therefore restoring the correction to the list. I hope this is okay with you, and you should by no means think that your contributions are not appreciated. Doright (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- It's a list of Prime Ministers. Palestine has a Prime Minister so it should be listed here. Catchpole (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not quite. It is a list of PM's by country. Palestine is not a country. However, the Palestinian National Authority does have a person identified as PM, but it also is not a country. I have therefore now corrected the list to say "Government" instead of "Country," so that an entry might be included for this PM. I have also corrected the identified government to Palestinian National Authority from Palestine. It would be nice if, consistent with WP recommended guidelines, there was some effort to improve edits rather than merely reverting. Doright (talk) 18:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Catchpole, I see you immediately reverted not only my earlier edit, but now my current edit which was an attempt to both correct errors and still accommodate your POV. Ironically, even the link in your POV version of the list showing Palestine as a country is redirected to the article Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority not List of Prime Ministers of Palestine. You are linking to an article that does not exist because Palestine is not a country and does not have a Prime Minister. It's not that complicated. Please revert yourself or explain what you are doing. Doright (talk) 21:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Catchpole must have reverted you by mistake, since he knows as well as anyone that Palestine is not a country, and the List of Prime Ministers of Palestine is a redirect to Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority. I've fixed both problems. One day there might well be a country called "Palestine", and then we'll have to update the list. Please take more care in the future, Catchpole. Jayjg (talk) 00:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-
- You better let the United Nations know then, so they can tell the 100 odd countries that recognise Palestine that they're incorrect. Catchpole (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- You know, I went to the United Nations website, and looked in its list of member states, and it didn't mention Palestine as one of them. In any event, there is no such office as "Prime Minister of Palestine", there is only an office of "Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority". Jayjg (talk) 01:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- You better let the United Nations know then, so they can tell the 100 odd countries that recognise Palestine that they're incorrect. Catchpole (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-
- Catchpole must have reverted you by mistake, since he knows as well as anyone that Palestine is not a country, and the List of Prime Ministers of Palestine is a redirect to Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority. I've fixed both problems. One day there might well be a country called "Palestine", and then we'll have to update the list. Please take more care in the future, Catchpole. Jayjg (talk) 00:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Catchpole, I see you immediately reverted not only my earlier edit, but now my current edit which was an attempt to both correct errors and still accommodate your POV. Ironically, even the link in your POV version of the list showing Palestine as a country is redirected to the article Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority not List of Prime Ministers of Palestine. You are linking to an article that does not exist because Palestine is not a country and does not have a Prime Minister. It's not that complicated. Please revert yourself or explain what you are doing. Doright (talk) 21:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not quite. It is a list of PM's by country. Palestine is not a country. However, the Palestinian National Authority does have a person identified as PM, but it also is not a country. I have therefore now corrected the list to say "Government" instead of "Country," so that an entry might be included for this PM. I have also corrected the identified government to Palestinian National Authority from Palestine. It would be nice if, consistent with WP recommended guidelines, there was some effort to improve edits rather than merely reverting. Doright (talk) 18:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- It's a list of Prime Ministers. Palestine has a Prime Minister so it should be listed here. Catchpole (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I originally reverted Doright's edit, so I guess it's time for me to jump in here. First of all, I did not originally put Palestine on the list, so please don't take all of this as me being a priori in favour of including Palestine. However, I think the argument that it is a "list of prime ministers by country" is flawed. Yes, it currently says "Country" in the header of the table, however, nothing in the article as a whole indicates that only countries are allowed on the list. The opening paragraph of the article says A prime minister is the most senior minister of cabinet in the executive branch of government in a parliamentary system. Whatever Palestine may or may not be, it certainly has a parliamentary system and a person designated prime minister. As such, I think it is probably correct to include Palestine on the list, but perhaps to fix the table heading to read "Country or terrority" or some such thing. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 21:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Edit Ah, I see that Doright had already done this, but that it was reverted along with something else. I'll put back Doright's "government" change. Is that okay with everyone? If not, feel free to revert my edit and come back here and discuss some more. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 21:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason to keep Palestine out. Timeshift (talk) 21:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Except that it's not a country - not yet, at any rate. However, the Palestinian National Authority has a Prime Minister. Jayjg (talk) 00:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Lilac Soul, there were two parts to my correction that tries to accommodate your POV. You only restored one. What part of my [explanation and demonstration] that the Palestinian National Authority has a PM, not Palestine do you not understand? Did you even bother to click on the links that I provided you? Why do you insist on linking to a redirect? Did you try clicking on the link in your current version of the article? It redirects you to Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority, not Prime Minister of Palestine. Please restore my correction to the list that has been reverted. Doright (talk) 23:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
-
- Well, I was not the one who reverted your edit. I simply changed back to Government rather than Country. As for the link now pointing to a redirect, that should of course be fixed, and I'll happily do so, but please note that I was not the one reverting your second edit. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 10:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestion for lists section
I don't think we need information about the articles about the PMs of the countries here. It might be useful if it was a separate list article, but as a section of a larger article about PM positions in general it's unnecessary. Removing this info might allow us to restructure the list into two columns to take up less of the valuable article space. The section could alternately be changed to include some quick comparative facts about the position in each country. 67.181.62.180 (talk) 07:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
