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[edit] Sokole

..could you PLEASE bring your word, User:Imbris is spreading false info about Montenegrin flags across the Wikipedia. Your good friend User:PaxEquilibrium has done a lot of work and research of Montenegrin flags (List of flags of Montenegro) and this dude just keeps attacking him and damaging his work.

I mean about Image talk:Princely Standard of Danilo I of Montenegro.png. I mean he actualy thinks this EXISTED!

Danilo_I,_Prince_of_Montenegro

Sada Danilo očito ima DVA alaj-barjaka, a ovaj drugi ni nema bijelu boju, već neku žutu koju je izmislio!

Since you too are a Montenegrin, I sea no other way than to convince him with words that hes wrong. Thx PPNjegos (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uncivil behaviour reaches both ends

Also such behaviour came from unsourced material. I honestly want to work out the difference of oppinions and sources with Pax but it is very difficult because constant threats and attempts to shut me up. I will not comply to such methods. Have you seen the latest addition in the form of commons:Image:NemanjicCrnojevic.svg (this image has roots on this Wiki made by Pax). I have tried to label it for deletion but dropped the issue because I do not want any more bad blood with that user. Have you heard that he claims without any source that there has not been - not ever - in the history of Montenegro the golden/yellow double headed eagle. Have you looked at his attempts to brand the symbols of Montenegro as a one party symbols by constant claims that one of the parties in Montenegro invented current symbols. If you want to answer be aware that he thinks you as a pro-independist supporter and that I watch RT CG almost everyday through sattelite, especially Dnevnik and TV Kalendar. -- Imbris (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

No I didn't, one party proposed it and that is clear fact - Prevalis here will be able to confirm that. Also, I'm looking forward to hear Prevalis' reply on the other (historical) matters. :) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Pax, please, calm down. I am not aware that a party proposed it or anything but I do know that the Montenegrin Falcon is based on the old Royal Coat of Arms. If you honestly want to know my reply to other (historical) matters, I'm chalk full of 'em, so ask away, mate. --Prevalis (talk) 22:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I can never get angry at you, except for silence. ;) I am writing to SDP in precise to acquire me full detail of the designer (names & everything) so that we can actually add this into the article.
Well here then:
1. Was the bicephalic eagle on the alaj-barjak silver (claimed by me and everyone else) or golden (claimed by Imbris)?
2. Did Danilo have two different alaj-barjaks, one of them having a violet background instead of red (and the other a yellow eagle instead of white)?
P.S. A better pic/commercial for Medo is really needed. This way, Milic, Mandic and Vujanovic seems "superior" to him. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have once in my not so long contribution to this W. argued with Panonian which is a league of his own, no one has been so rude to me, but I handled it and find the strength to continue.

If you have the time to tell me one more fact. The football representation of Montenegro. Is the goal-keeper dressed in pink or what. I think that this has to do with my current issue of the Prince Danilo Flag. -- Imbris (talk) 22:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have watched a couple of times, just as an antropological experiment and seen such dress of a goalkeeper. I am not a devoted football fan so I need help on this. As for the question of Prince Danilo Flag apparently he had a Royal Princely Standard and a War flag all documented on the image talk of that file as citted by PPNjegos. -- Imbris (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting debate led by Pax and me

Talk:Flag of Montenegro#POV by PaxEquilibrium and below that one there is initiated by me a title POV by Imbris also. I the title POV by PaxEquillibrium i have quoted to Pax sentences from the Constitution of the Republic of Montenegro and the Constitution of Montenegro which he doesn't accept.

In this debate I used also http://www.kontra-punkt.info/print.php?sid=193 as a source which denies that the symbols of Montenegro were mada by one party only.

Imbris (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, SDP CG proposal. "Only one factor" can do that - no? You know this Prevalis, right? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why didn't you say anythin'

...then? :)

BTW the fact that something's mythic, doesn't render it irrelevant, does it? I didn't fabricize, but Montenegrin tradition - regardless if it's true or not. Also it's more of a representer of a seal, than a flag. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

This mythical stuff you are talking about is unencyclopaedical. It has not been proven that it is traditional belief but instead just that Jovan B. Markuš used it as a propagandist tool. His contributions are very dubious to me because the Angelino Dulcert map doesnt show the flag-pole nor even a vague outline of a flag. I will investigate the credibility of Solovjev's citation of a drawing made by a yet another person (that being sr:Aleksandar Palavestra. I suggest if you agree that a mere symbol (emblem) would be used under the CoA section but not in the flag section because it was not a flag. But I will leave it be if you leave certain things be. -- Imbris (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The origin of Greeks is practically all mythic and yet it belongs. As long as it's posed as such, we should keep it. That is not something Markus fabricated - go to the Cetinje Monastery and see it hang there yourself. I have. ;) Also note that Markus explicitly says that there is no greater direct support of the flag and himself expresses pure reluctance of it, so I don't understand why could you consider it propaganda - although he probable does it because he himself doesn't really like it. It was used during the age of the Petrovic-Njegos, and Prince Nicholas claims (in his own words) that he used "Dusan's sacred banner" for the Montenegrin alaj-barjak, that is the war flag. HRH Nicholas also writes in full belief of the story that Dusan's banner was brought to Montenegro and kept for centuries "high and mighty".
But I still don't understand your double treatment of sources. Your very own source, which you said is ..reliable source for most of the community.., claims that. You seem to put them forward when they back up your claims, but completely disregard them when they don't (e.g. a "golden" bicephallic eagle). I'm talking about FotW. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Here are the words of Nešo Stanić, the Secretary and Scribe of Podgorica:
“ But also that famous cradle, in which the most famous Nemanyiden was born came to be conquered by the Turks. And the beautiful Zeta, the nest of Serbianese greats became a pathetic foster sons of the arrogant conqueror Asian, and in the beautiful and plain Zeta, in the place "Šeher Podgorici", in the place of the double-headed Dusan's Eagle a crescent moon flew up, under his weight the tears of the Serb flew, and of the proud nobility a sad peasantry was created.. ”

—Monuments of the Shadows of the Podgorica Serbs, Nešo Stanić, 1912
This is the brochure of Pero Šoć, a Green and armed resister of Yugoslav unity, fighter for secession and independence of Montenegro
“ ..The Brake of Serbia and Montenegro, was the greatest impact, which our people has ever endured in its history. For the first days of January of the year of 1916, there was not a parchment of free Serb land. Serb rulers old King Nicholas and old King Peter with his successor Alexander found themselves without a land, without a people, with the remains of the army - on foreign grounds. Without the common warfare of Montenegrins and Serbians, Dusan's eagle would not have returned with both wings to the Imperial Gates.. ”

—Pero Šoć, Montenegro and the breach of the Thessalonican front, 1929
And this is from the speech of King Nicholas himself:
“ ...for they, the knights glory to them, sacrificed just like you, their lives for the appeal of our banner; the very same banner which was always since five hundred years ago high and which first flew when from Gradina and the Fundina sides the Montenegrin cannon gave a sign to all Balkan to rise up in unison. ”

—Giving Medals to Montenegrin heroes after the Balkan Wars, Nikola I Petrovic, 1913
There are plenty more other, these are just some few. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Local elections

Hey, why not make Montenegrin local elections, 2008 - for Tivat and Herceg-Novi. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Aco_Pejović.jpg

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[edit] Montenegrin Party

You'll probably be interested in this. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 19:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Golubovci & Tuzi

Prevalis, could you rework the administrative map of Montenegro so that the two are also visible (within the Podogorica municipality)? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 02:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jovan Plamenac

Saved you the trouble. ;) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thnks!

Thank you very much, but how did you know that I celebrate Saint George's Day? :) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A book for you

By then's greatest Montenegrin scholars, "History of Montenegro, Second Book, II Part". Titograd (modern Podgorica), 1970.

http://www.istorijabalkana.com/TEKSTOVI/Istorija%20CG.pdf

It follows the reigns of Balsics and Crnojevics in incredibly amazingly great detail.

Enjoy. :) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you see it? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Djuradj II

Hi! Could you also put the remainder of his name in Albanian? And also IPA? Thanks!

All remaining is to find an image of Djuradj's coins and of the ruins of Ulcinj (a map of his domain would be wonderful, but I do not think we'll be able to find / make it). Every article must have at least one image... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)