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Wow. A couple of days after I came here, there was a message on my talk page saying something like "um, welcome, yadda yadda... Wikipedia:Welcome! Some time later, the wordings changed into something a bit more formal. The template that put the text there is obviously gone and replaced with the text that it contained at the moment, I have no clue when that happened.
Anyhow, welcome PeterR! Ever since I put my foot here I have wanted to do some major reworkig on the article aikido - i.e. throwing some text out and shorten it. That is difficult, though - removing facts is a wiki-based encyclopedia is much more difficult than putting them there, usually. Sometimes I think I should anyhow (I never understood what that huge section on Ki is doing there) but I never had the guts. Maybe we can try and do a joint break into it, some day. / Hanna B a.k.a. Habj 01:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Responding on my talk page, like you have done, is the most common version. / Habj 13:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, some things have happened with that article since I last took a look at it. It seems I droppet it off my watch list at one time or another. If I start fiddling with it, I guess you will notice. / Habj 01:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Contents

Questions

Hi Peter: The boilerplate text that you often see on articles are created with templates. These are inserted into the text with the syntax of curly brackets surrounding the title of the template. For example, you said you wanted to remove the stub template on the article Kenji Tomiki. If you click the edit button at the top of the page, and scroll down the article, you will see a portion of the text that looks like this: {{martialart-stub}}. If you simply delete this text, the stub template will be removed from the article. FYI, the template is located at Template:Martialart-stub. Note that when applying templates to pages, you don't need the Template: prefix. Simply the title in curly brackets will suffice.

The cleanup tag on Iwama, Ibaraki is treated the same, except the text is {{cleanup-date|October 2005}}. Just remove this to rid the article of its cleanup status. For more help and information, you can read this page on meta on templates. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me anything about Wikipedia; chances are, I probably can get you the answer. Cheers, Bratschetalk | Esperanza 21:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Banning

Hey anti-vandal pal. Wow, they were out in force today, huh? Got your message about banning. Unfortunately, only sysops can ban people (imagine if the vandals got a hold of that ability!). The way you become a sysop is to stick around for a while, show that you make good contributions and are trustworthy, and nominate yourself or get nominated for administratorship. Then people discuss the nomination and reach a consensus on whether to make you one.

In the short term, the only way to get someone banned if you're not a sysop is to list their name or IP with a description of their activity on Wikipedia:vandalism in progress, once they've had more than 4 warnings. Then a sysop will come along and ban them. Yeah, I think the banning policy is a little lax too, especially with the way they were at it today! Thanks for the anti-vandal work, it's always needed. Let me know on my talk page if you have anything else to discuss! Peace, Delldot 01:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

It's easier to revert versions by clicking on "history" at the top of the page, which gives you a list of everything that's been done to the page. You can use the "curr" and "last" buttons to see what's been changed between that version and the last, so vandals' (and everyone else's) edits that are different between versions show up in red at the top of the page. Then it's a matter of finding the last non-vandalized version (usually just one before the vandal, but be careful: today I accidentally reverted a page to a still-vandalized version, much to my embarrassment!). You click on the date for that version, and it comes up. Then you click on "edit this page" and that's the version you're editing, so all versions made after that one are erased. With vandalism, of course, that's the idea. But of course you have to be careful not to revert back to before useful changes were made. You say something in the edit summary bar like "reverted vandalism" or "rvv" for short. Thanks again for the hard work. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with, I'm always glad to talk. Peace, Delldot 03:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

A couple of Japan / budo related articles

I stumbled on these two articles: Japanese martial arts titles and dan rank. I felt they were very limited in scope, but couldn't do so much about it (check the talk pages). Maybe you are the person who can and wants to broaden them a little? / Habj 11:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

List of aikido people + question on titles

I might trim the European section later, but I started with another approach - see List of famous aikidoka.

Could you possibly help me with a terminology question? Toshikazu Ichimura was the... um... "riksinstruktör" of Swedish aikido for more than 20 years; one of those sent out by Aikikai Hombu to live abroad and teach. They were supposed to be responsible for a country or a couple of countries each. Hombu later left this approach, probably on understanding that European aikido had grown to pretty much take care of themselves; in time, people wanted to decide for themselves which teachers to invite for seminars, not be dependent on the lineage of their "riksinstruktör". "Riksinstruktör" would literally mean "the teacher of the country", the person who is responsible for teching in a country. I know the US situation is different and now you are far away from that anyhow, but have you possibly ever heard an English term used in similar fashion? I might write an article on Ichimura sensei later, but currently I have this terminology struggle in Takeji Tomita. / Habj 05:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Image

I believe this image is taken from your web site Image:Nariyama.jpg. If you would have a look at User talk:Tonifer and share whatever info you have on the copyright status on the image, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. / Habj 02:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

The issue of images on wikipedia is not so easy. It must be labelled with an appropriate license tag. I geuss the appropriate template for "used with permission" would be Template:Permission, and as you can see the content is not so encouraging. If this was Swedish Wikipedia, I know what I would tell you since svwiki is as strict on images as is Wikimedia Commons. This is enwiki however, and I really don't know how to do with the image.I could ask someone, but I am sure you know more knowledgeable people here at enwiki than I do... if you use IRC, logging in on #wikipedia-en on freenode might be a quick way to get info. (There is also a #wikipedia, with lots of traffic but mainly off-topic.) / --Habj 10:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I asked for input - you can find it here User talk:Bishonen#Image stuff. Both images hare now labelled in ways that will have them deleted - well, probably not within one week but sooner or later. I think Bishonen explains the rest better than I can do, so I have done my part on this one I think. // Habj 04:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Moy Lin-shin and Taoist Tai Chi

My bad, it wasn't the Moy article that said what I was thinking about; it was the Taoist Tai Chi article that says there isn't a martial element to the Taoist Tai Chi society. Historically, not being a martial Tai Chi form has even been a part of their advertising. What you say about being suspicious of political agendas makes sense, especially in the martial arts business. There are actually many "Tai Chi teachers" in the West who don't teach any martial art aspects at all. Incidentally, if you are interested in martial arts, would you mind having a look in at the two articles: Choi Kwang-Do and Jung Sin Yuk-Do? There is some ongoing argument about the content and format of the articles, and any experience with a debate like that you could bring would be appreciated. Regards, --Fire Star

List of fictional martial arts

Cheers! --Fire Star 04:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Block log

The link in your contributions is to a list of the events when you have been blocked - none. The people who can block other users are the administrators, so in essence that link in your contribs is there to make it easier for admins - and others - to get an idea of your personal history on Wikipedia. As a comparison, you can check [1] or [2]. Using the drop down menues, you can find all kinds of logs. "Rules" for blocks can be find at Wikipedia:Blocking policy. I haven't been involved in admin stuff here at enwiki, but it seems to me the system works reasonably well for something the size of English Wikipedia. // Habj 07:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Hehe! I agree that link is not so easy to understand when the record is empty. It's pretty new, the link in the contribs; no more than a couple of weeks I think. // Habj 07:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Spammer

Now that he has the appropriate warnings, if he does it again we'll go for a 24 hour block, and gradually increase them as necessary... --Fire Star 15:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Multiple bios for one movie star

Myself, I'd say we should have one article and redirects as necessary. There isn't a stated policy, but there has been a strong tendency to avoid this kind of cruft. Let me know if you need an extra opinion to back you up on the talk pages. --Fire Star 01:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Tomiki Aikido change

Howdy, on the Tomiki Aikido page, you added "(broad Tomiki classification)". I've done a form of Tomiki Aikido for 10 years, and I don't see how this addition adds any understanding or real information to the topic. Could you please expand on it? Thank you! Mrand 12:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


Sword Master

Don't get offended by the deletion of master. A master is Japanese sword arts is a very specific thing. SS may be an Aikido master but it is not transferable and quite insulting to those that are. Movie choreographs don't count - in Japan there are literally hundreds of highly skilled movie swordsman - they don't call themselves Master. Again go for fact not hyperbole.Peter Rehse 01:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. no offense taken. but please realize that "master" is not a japanese word. in other words, an individual can be a "blackbelt" in "kendo," and a "master" in something unrelated and unrecognized by the kendo fans. dude, check out the articles on venn diagram and Japanophile beofre you get revert crazy!. Note your context! --Ghetteaux 01:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
just realized -- maybe i should be clearer: the word "japanese" was not used in teh sentence i wrote; therefore your criticism "A master is Japanese sword arts is a very specific thing" doesn't relate to the term master swordsman.
note: kendo = japanese sport; swordsman (does not equal) japanese concept. --Ghetteaux 01:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Be a bit careful with your assumptions. My initial sword background is in European fencing - he is not a master in that context either. Secondly - his sword background (what little he has) is in the Japanese context and unless my memory fails me - I've only seen him use Japanese swords. By putting Kendo and swordmaster in the same sentence (need I remind you that you originally said Kendo master) you are making the terms inclusive. A simple question - under what frame of reference is he considered a sword master I (again movie fans don't count).Peter Rehse 02:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

WHEW!!!! sounds to me like someone is a Seagaloclast! dude, I never wrote the term "kendo master" on that article -- check the article history b4 you accuse me of such high crimes! and about your biography: you sound like a deadly and dashing opponent! your training and abilitiez make many men tremble! not to worry, i would never challenge your obvious swordflashtery. but seriously, would you go blade for blade with Takeshigemichi? I didn't think so. so bow your head to the master; baiter is a man who hooks worms. --Ghetteaux 02:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
You're right you didn't put the Kendo master entry in - my bad. However, I'm not anti Seagal just accuracy. I also don't make any claims for my ability - in sword or Aikido or whatever but I also don't take movie choreography as a good measure either (in the one movie I was in I actually look like I know judo). And what's with the petty insults?Peter Rehse 03:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
PRrese, i acknowledge your martial abilities. and i do not mean to insult you; i merely meant that it would be unwise to challenge Steven Seagal on his own deadly ground. but keep it real and keap on keepin things accurate. piece out. --Ghetteaux 11:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The message you left on my talk page

Sorry, but I do not understand what you want me to do, having read your message on my talk page. Could you please clarify it a bit? Thanks - I am more than willing to help if I know what you want me to do! Batmanand | Talk 08:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Will remove copyvio tag, and you can put your new content onto the original page. Batmanand | Talk 11:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Seagal

Sorry I didn't get back to you right away about the message you left. I'm not quite sure what the best way to deal with Mr. Smith is, either, to be honest. He's a bit more persistent than the average problem user. I think that, if he can't use Wikipedia effectively as a vehicle for publishing his POV, then he might eventually stop trying to do it. If you want, you could take a look at his contributions and help clean up after him: there's been a couple pages put up for deletion already, but there's lots more to do. I'm not sure about the three revert issue: I haven't actually noticed him do that so far. I've reported people for that only once or twice, myself. Probably best to start with a warning. Let me know if you have any further questions. Cheers, Nat Krause(Talk!) 09:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

yo

just wanted 2 give you a shout out and some propz 4 keepin the aikido page in top shape, just like the guy who does 1,000 suburi cuts every day.

keep it real. --Ghetteaux 15:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian aikidoka

Hi there Peter. Thanks for creating this category and for your other work on Aikido topics. I'll tell my co-worker to put himself in it. However, since it is a self-reference to Wikipedia (like all categories under Category:Wikipedians), it should not be used in the main namespace. Thus, I've removed it from List of aikidoka. See Wikipedia:Avoid self-reference for more information. You might want to put a note on Talk:List of aikidoka to direct interested Wikipedians to put themselves in the category. You can use <div class="messagebox"></div> to make it stand out, like this:

This article is for well-known aikidoka. To add yourself to the list of Wikipedian aikidoka, add:
[[Category:Wikipedian aikidoka|{{PAGENAME}}]]
to your user page.

Thanks again. Mike Dillon 03:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the note! You know, I feel awkward putting myself in that category since I left aikido two years ago. Btw, is that you doing technique on the pic on your page? Is that stick in uke's hand one of the famous Shodokan rubber tantos? At first, I thought it was you who held it and I imagined you would use it to add momentum to a lock. // Habj 06:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
My activity on English wikipedia is a little bit now and a little bit then. I am not at all sure what is the best strategy regarding that list, but IMHO it is the wiki-way to try a couple of different versions. // Habj 09:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Page move

Hi, I moved the pages, happy to help. You may want to double check the slight editing I did in an attempt to help the name change make sense. If it comes up again, you may be able to do it yourself, I'm pretty sure. Try clicking the blue highlighted redirect subtext under the main page name; whatever the "page name" is just below the bolded title that says redirected from "page name" after you've typed in the original redirect that you want to make the main title. It will then open a page to show a simple "Redirect" message and an arrow pointing to the destination title. Edit that redirect page the way you want by hitting the edit this page at the top. Remove the #REDIRECT (destination title) and replace it with the text for the newly moved article. You can then put a redirect to the new main article on the old article title if you want to. My explanation may be a bit weird, but I think anyone may do it. Cheers, --Fire Star 火星 20:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Pic gone?

Surprised to see that you removed that tantodori pic från your page. It was kind of neat, was it not? // Habj 22:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Canadian eh?

Hi there,

wwilson_1 here. I didn't know you were Canadian! I plan to move to Vancouver in the future.

about the Ki section in Aikido, feel free to add or change it, especially the stuff about Aikikai. I only did a year of Aikikai Aikido, and my japanese teachers said, "chuo" and "hara" a lot, but I never heard the word 'ki'. If you feel this misprepresents the full spectrum that is Aikikai teachingg, feel free to offer some editing or other info to it, or just erase it. I just wanted to kind of add the Tohei political controversy in there, as that's the story I've always heard, and am interested in it, and why it happened. I'm hoping others will contribute their point of view to this topic.

cheers,

WW

Thanks for your recent comments

Hi and thanks for the note. I agree the List of Aikido organizations could use a bit more work but I just wanted to get the process rolling. Also, I'd probably just end up copying the list from Aikiweb or Aikido Journal and I feel that would not be in the right spirit. I could probably put a few more organizations in there without blatantly ripping off other lists and may do that soon.

I don't have strong feelings about Iwama Ryu/Style/Dojo - I do wish that somebody either merges them into a single page or get rid of the proposal to merge - it feels unfinished as is, unnecessarily. The main thing I wanted to avoid is to refer Iwama Style as Iwama Ryu, given the context Iwama Ryu is in. I am very new to Wikipedia though, so I do not want to be too aggressive about making changes until I am more familiar with the system.

Will put up a user page shortly. Thanks! Timtsai 05:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

about Canada

Hey Pete, Always a pleasure. What part of Canada are you from? I was just wondering. Wwilson 1 05:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


Terry Dobson

Hi Peter,

I saw your note on the Terry Dobson page. I assure you those are my own words. No copyright problems there. Focomoso 04:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Aikido and wikipedia

Hi Peter, Thanks for your note. Right now, there is only a handful of people (including yourself: you are doing a great job!) regularly contributing to articles related to Aikido in wikipedia, but I am confidant that in the future the number of these enthusiastic wikipedia loving aikidokas will grow to the point that the number of inaccuracies will go down below the noise level. I recently read an article about a comparative study between Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia and it turns out that the level of accuracy in the info is very comparable, only slightly higher for Enc. Brit. Cheers. ArthurWeasley 17:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections on the Tohei article.

I created the article from scratch long ago but my resources were, (and still are), very limited. I apreciate ANY help I can get.Well actually the current Tohei article is about the best I can muster and I don't update it myself anymore. Anyways, thanks again Mr Rehse. Fred26 19:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Article on Seiseki Abe

Thanks for the tips. I'll try to write by the rules in the future. I have finished editing the text now, so it's all yours. Please, feel free to correct any inaccuracy that might appear in the text. Cheers. ArthurWeasley 07:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_Arts

You are listed as a participant in this Wikiproject, which appears to have ground to a halt - I'm contacting all participants to try to get things rolling again... hope you can help! -- Medains 08:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Toyoda article

I bumped on this one by accident and linked it to the 'list of aikidoka page' in the hope that it will be noticed by somebody willing to do some clean-up job (the ancestry part to show the connection with the Tohei family is way too long). This is not really on my priority list for now so if you know somebody else interested, please do not hesitate to contact him/her. Cheers. ArthurWeasley 01:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I practiced at many places for about 5 years in the United States and in Europe under Yamada, Sugano, Tamura, the late Kanai Sensei and several of their students. Had to stop after a back injury. It has been quite a while since I weared a keikogi. As for the Fumio Toyoda article have you noticed that it was first posted by a SToyoda? This might simply be a case of self promotion. Toyoda's son who is now heading the AAA is Stephen Toyoda (Fumio Toyoda passed away in july 2001, there is a memorial written by Gakku Homma on the web: http://www.nippon-kan.org/senseis_articles/toyoda_memorial.html). Cheers. ArthurWeasley 05:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

List of martial arts

The Editor's Barnstar

The Editor's Barnstar
Your recent cleanups, edits, and deletions on the list of martial arts page show significant dedication and discipline. Thank you very much for your hard work and contribution to Wikipedia. For these merits, I would like to award you this Editor's Barnstar. Xiliquiern 03:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Icho Ryu Aikijujutsu

Not sure what to do, other than post things on the talk page, get the attention of others and if necessary get a consensus, maybe get a moderator to block editing by unregistered users if the person keeps it up. Also, if you have time, maybe try to research the art and see if it's valid. --Mista-X 03:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Taigi

I hear ya. Thanks for pointing that out. Please do me a favor and fix the sentence to make it more accurate pertaining to Taigi. (or maybe remove it altogether. I was just trying to accomodate the guy who added it to the main aikido article.)

Angeles Aikido

Please cite sources. Somebody might have the notable article subject for deleteion.--Jondel 19:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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Two Questions

Hi Peter, I have a question regarding which I'd really appreciate your input. You've been active on the aikido page for quite some time, and everyone (myself included) has a great deal of respect for what you have to say. This is why I am asking you about user:Wwilson_1's comments regarding the changes I had been proposing. I intended no offense, and am unsure how to proceed. I posted my suggestions on the talk page, waited several days for replies, got none (other than yours), and proceeded to make a few of the changes. Wwilson responded by accusing me of getting into a "pissing contest" over the meaning of aikido, and seems to repeatedly assert since I am not a "real live Japanese aikidoka" I was wrong to assert what a kanji dictionary lists as the possible meanings of "ai". I've only been active on wikipedia for a couple months, and would like to avoid this kind of personal conflict with other editors if at all possible. I welcome good-natured debate, but it seemed like I upset wayne, who otherwise has been an excellent contributor to the page. I have no intention of dragging you into any kind of dispute, I could just use any advice/input you might have on how I might avoid such a situation in the future, or what exactly I did wrong in this instance.

My other question is far less serious. That's a great tachi-dori pic that just went up. I was just wondering exactly what uke's attack and your initial entry were. Bradford44 20:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Peter, I appreciated your response.Bradford44 17:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


Keichu Do restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Help desk. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Sam Blanning(talk) 18:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Naginatajutsu

Thank you for correcting me on that article, I'm just starting to study the history of Asian martial arts and there's a lot of things that I don't know yet.

See you.Facer 20:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Tenkan

That's a fair point. I rewrote the article, but since I have no judo experience, the best I could do was leave a judo section open for future editors, and put aikido specific stuff in an aikido section. If you think the mention of six basic exercises should be eliminated I'm okay with that, but I left it in for now with a rewritten introduction. Let me know what you think. Bradford44 18:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Fugakukai Aikido

Hi. Peter. I've made the last few minor edits on the Fugakukai article anonymously and have added some sources and an external link to try to satisfy the notability flag. I'd like to expand and edit the Fugakukai article but I'm not sure where to go from here. I was wondering if you had some suggestions as to content and format.

Aikido Based in the Occult

Peter, now that I have your attention, I don't go to your aikido page and bring its reputation into disrepute, under the above heading, even though there is a good case for it. It is a perfect reason why differing martial artists should not be editing each other's pages? BMurray 19:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Greetings. I see that the article did get deleted again before I got to it. If a questioned article has been AfDed recently, and the new article is basically the same as the old article, there is no reason not to speedy delete it. Grutness was just speedier than me! I will read through the Aikido article today as well. Cheers, --Fire Star 火星 12:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Reassessment

I’ve added a huge amount of info to my Lei tai article. Is there anyway I could get a reassessment on its current quality scale rating? Right now it’s considered a “Start”, but I think its at least a “B” right now. (Ghostexorcist 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC))

Thank you. (Ghostexorcist 01:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC))

Aikido

Greetings. I've looked at the article and it seems quite nice. The only things I would change (and there is no guarantee they would be an improvement) would be to add just a little more overview to the intro, and feature the history section one section earlier in the article. I am going on a Wikibreak for a few days (going to Toronto, woohooo!) but I'll be back on Monday and will look into nominating the article class for an upgrade. In the meantime, I've done some rewrites and (very minor) restructuring since it was rated B class, so could I get your opinion on the T'ai Chi Ch'uan article? --Fire Star 火星 15:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've also made some additions to and done a little copy editing on Hard and soft (martial arts). --Fire Star 火星 17:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ono-ha Itto-ryu

Actually we can add much to the Itto-ryu sections that exist presently in Wikipedia.

If you are are interested in finding out more about this school of sword Meik Skoss' contribution to Keiko Shokon in the Classical Warrior Traditions of Japan series is really illuminating especially from the point of view of someone interested in the present day practise. That "Legends of Swordsman" text had an interesting section on the origin of the Itto-ryu but it so blurrs the line between history and good story telling that I threw it out for being unreliable and potentially misleading.

I have a videotapes of both Ona Ha Itto ryu and the Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu schools. Interestingly the Mizuguchi-ha was the official sword school of the Aizu han. Takeda's exposure to this school as far as I know is a matter of conjecture though. They are very different with the Mizuguchi school showing more obvious intention in their kata and being more overtly 'instructional', showing the moves to the right and left for each tedchnique. Should you still possess an old VHS machine I'd be happy to let you take a look at them. I have Jikishinkage ryu footage too but this school was entirely different from what I expected from a famous fighting style. Very esoteric. You could never understand the meaning of these kata as an outsider I would think.

The Ona ha Itto ryu as taught by Tokimune would seem to be a series of kata inspired by the Ona ha itto-ryu but infused with other practises employed by Sokaku. From practitioners I know who studied both the mainline Ona ha and the Itto-ryu kata taught by Tokimune to members of the Hokkaido group (Kato and Ariswawa et all) as well as members of the Takumakai (Okabayashi Shogen, who apparentally was awarded a scroll in the art by Tokimune) they have said that Tokimune's interpretation of the kata is more obvious in its intentions and more overtly martial. I can't speak to that personally though. The mainline seems very interesting too.--Mateo2006 15:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Itto-ryu Wiki problems

Thanks for the update I had just noticed that the Kogen Itto-ryu was in essense cut and pasted from the Skoss book and so I thought that I might give the person (anonymous) a chance to rewrite it. I didn't know the etiquette. :)

Also the Itto-ryu page is listed as a "disambiguation page" leading to the different schools which branched off from the orginal school and a (manga) comic book. I wanted to start by writing something about the original school however I'm not sure how I should approach this. Ideas?

Tessenjutsu

I will keep an eye on the above article and if it gets blanked again, since the three customary warnings have conscientiously been given, blocking is next. --Fire Star 火星 14:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


Re: See also

I know what you mean about the lists getting too long and perhaps repeating internal links found within an article.

Sometimes the internal links in an article will be fairly frequent and not contain significant amounts of info to merit looking at so they can be ignored.

In my recent addition to Jigaro Kano there was no internal link to the Kito Ryu and the Tenjin Shinyo Ryu however there is specific information about Kano of a significant nature so I thought the See Also gives the reader a heads up as to a link that is worth viewing in regard to the main subject matter of the article. That was my thinking here but I don't really have a working criteria for See Also that I'm using. :) I'm willing to follow the lead of others in this respect. --Mateo2006 03:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that even if there is an internal link if we think there is some information of special relevence to the main subject we may wish to use "See Also" regardless. For example, say you were looking at a article on Jigaro Kano. It might have internal links to things like "Japan", "Tokyo", "Meiji" etc pages which have no real specific references to Kano on them. However if there is information on one of those pages like "Tenjin Shinyo Ryu" which mentions him specifically they may be deserving of our pointing people in that direction. What do you think?--Mateo2006 03:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


Floro Fighting Systems

PRehse, I have rewritten the text with proper formatting, and citations. I have appealed the AfD but it stands. What recourse is there for the article to be written, and reposted. Surely one badly spammy written article is not enough to cause the article or it's subject to never be written of again. Marcdscott 06:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Seeking guidance for Keichu-Do Article

Hello Peter, I am the one who asked for the Keichu article to be restored. I am sorry if I implied that you might of had anything to do with what was going on with that other site...

I am writting because I am new to this site and am in desperate need of guidance. I have read a lot of the Wiki guidelines that seem to apply to what is needed for the Keichu Article. I am also in the process of gathering up as much information as I can and reformating the Keichu article.

Anything that you could provide me with that will make this an easier process, as far as help with Wikipedia requirements, and the things that the Keichu article needs specificly would be of great help and I will be very greatful for. I am in the process of moving and career changes so my time is limited and my attention is pread in a million different directions. Also if you could point me in the direction of where I can find the guidelines on that Wikipedia uses to determine what is and what is not a "Mill"?

I know that non of that is really of no concern to you. I just wanted to let you know that there is someone trying to get this worked out.

Best regards, Quo_tsv —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quo tsv (talk • contribs) 02:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC).


>In terms of adding notability, outside of school >locations, what would you advise in terms of >organization recognition. Or would it be best to >avoid this all together?

>Best regards, Quo_tsv —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quo tsv (talk • contribs) 02:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Hello Sir

I am open to any suggestions on the page intitled "Karate Needer" I added it as I have found it is being used by more and more and it is such a fitting description, and much better than out right calling people liars. I picked it up from a local Dojo, and after doing some research found it was a widely used term here in the states. One thing I believe, if you study from a person who is not what he claims, it may not be your fault that you are in this category. I know, you are Aikido and the Hombu Dojo has a good amount of control over Aikido so the "needer" problem does not affect you deeply. But in Karate, as well as a whole lot of other arts, the needers are taking over. Like I said, any suggestions would be helpful and used. Thank you for your comments, Sir. Elitemagroup 08:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Japanese martial arts

Thank you very much, Peter, for the kind words. To be honest, I thought it would develop faster, with people jumping in to add their own perspectives on the various arts. I guess it's been somewhat under the radar so far. As it is, I'm more likely to go overboard with details, and I want to acknowledge your point (from a week or so ago) about the length of the jujutsu portion. I haven't done anything about that yet because I've been prioritizing having at least a couple of sentences for each section before I do any major rewriting of filled-in sections. That said, I appreciate any input or suggestions on any direction you think the article should be going, or are concerned it might be going. Thanks again, Bradford44 02:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Sorry, I should have taken into consideration the talk page discussion. Thanks for reverting my edit. Red Director 04:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Red links

Regarding [3] I wonder if there is any guideline here on enwiki against red links? If so, that is IMHO a bit silly. A red link is an invitation to create an article - and that is good. When one does not think the subject deservs an article, that is something else of course. I agree there is sometimes a thin line to draw, and I know you are trying to sweep away non-notable stuff which I agree is a good thing. Saying there should be no red links is something else, IMO.

If there is such a guideline, I would be very happy to be pointed to it. // habj 00:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but quite often the person who write an article doesn't know about all the areas that the person was active in... I will look for such a guideline. // habj 01:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hope you don't feel I am picking on you! I know that svwiki is much more liberal than enwiki when it comes to red links, so in a way I'd like to find out what is considered "happy inbetween" here. That has very little to do with you, really. I've seen other users remove red links here, too. // habj 01:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)