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Arms of the former Preston RDC:

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Probably not enough content in this page to justify including them.

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[edit] West Preston motorway

There is key evidence that there was going to be a motorway called the M59 running from Liverpool M58 and Coming up to Preston following roughly the A59. Herein, there would be a link from the M65 and the M59 would run to the Missing junction 2 at the M55.

Is there any evidence for the 1980s motorway around western Preston? Was any of it built and where is it? Longwayround 17:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The only two motorways we have at Preston are the M6 motorway, the first stretch of motorway ever built (In 1958, junctions 31-32 I think) and the M55, which does run west of Preston, to Blackpool.

The motorway you are probably thinking of is the (controversial at the time) M65 motorway. Have a look there for more info. --Skoorb 15:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I've not got any evidence to hand, but there was a plan for a western bypass of the city, starting from the M6 around where the M61 joins, up to the missing junction on the M55 C2r 18:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

try (cbrd.co.uk) for info on it. Not sure if it's reliable enough to be quoted though. --RedHillian 23:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Watling Street

The article states:

During the Roman period the road called Watling Street from the Setantian port of Neb of the Nese passed one mile north of Preston. The Roman road from Languavallium in Cumberland to Condate in Cheshire intersected in Preston at Tulketh-hall.

Where on earth did this come from? the Watling Street didnt go anywhere near Preston. It went from Dover to Shropshire. G-Man 18:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

- I agree and have removed the reference to Watling Street. Does it make sense now? - PT 20 Sept 2005

We do have a "Watling Street Road". But this does not go anywhere near the Watling Street in Dover. --Skoorb 15:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

- My understanding is that the "Watling Street Road" that we have in Preston follows the old Roman road which ran from the Roman fortress at Ribchester on the River Ribble to the coast. Certainly it is a ruler-straight stretch, or was until it was diverted in the 19th Century to allow for the building of Fulwood Barracks. Why can it not be called Watling St? Who said there could be only one road with that name? - RIG 21 Nov 2006

[edit] Moving this article

Why don't we move this article to Preston, Lancashire, and make Preston the disambiguation page.--coblin 22:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map reference

I am wondering what exactly the very precise info-box grid ref (SD5031330082) is supposed to be for. The railway station is at SD534290.

[edit] Odd

While reverting vandalism I saw and removed

  • Miscellaneous
    • The boy who ate his dog, David lowry
    • Wooden Man erected

If they were supposed to be in there then please replace. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

We do have a 15ft wooden man on a new strech of Canal. (Naked, and urinating into the canal). That's all I can think of though. See [1] --Skoorb 22:13, == 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh, the "Piddler in the River" does exist but we'll need his real name before he can have a place here =) doktorb wordsdeeds 14:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
IIRC it's called "Gauging the Ribble" and it's refenced on one of the pictures at Ribble Link. --RedHillian 23:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Guys

I don't know if somebody can confirm this rumour I heard. You know the church with the hge steeple that can be seen from the university library (if looking away from entrance & look = directly right), I heard that that steeple was the largest in both the UK & Europe. Can anybody confirm the name of this church or the rumour? - Charlie Marrow 20:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be Saint Walburge's [2] Longwayround


[edit] Lune Street 1842

Please could someone include the full factual story to the above event; thanks! joshthetree

[edit] SpunkFluff radio

took this line out *SpunkFluff FM - student radio 1350am/mw as it doesn't seem credible, there no source, no google hits for it and it's not listed in the student union or uni websites. If it is the new am station, it can go back in, but not before it's got sources. --RedHillian 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City vs. District

While most of this article is about the city of Preston, parts of it are about Preston District, a much larger area (and shown in the map at the top). It's not clear whether some of the facts quoted are about the city or the district. I suggest there should be a separate Preston district article, but I don't know for sure what would go in it.--Dr Greg 12:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I second that. I do not believe it is useful to anyone to suggest, as some have, that Garstang, Leyland and even Chorley are actually in Preston. Longwayround 08:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I live in Leyland and i can vouch that Leyland is classed as Preston. Although not in the city we are infact in the district of Preston. Not many of the older generation in Leyland class it as Preston but I can definetly say that the younger generation class themselves as Prestonions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.88.80 (talk) 22:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It makes sense to have separate articles for the city and the local authority. For starters, quite a lot of material from this article could be transferred to a new local authority article. ---- Eric 19:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to complicate things, strictly speaking the phrase "City of Preston" refers to the whole of Preston District (see City status in the United Kingdom#City councils.) I would prefer to use the phrase "Preston Distict" rather than "City of Preston" (to avoid confusion); however this goes against Wikipedia convention for other cities (see e.g. Lancaster, Lancashire and City of Lancaster. This is something to be argued and resolved at a national level.

(By the way, neither Garstang, Leyland or Chorley are in Preston District. (See List of civil parishes in Lancashire#Preston.) --Dr Greg 11:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I was surprised just now to find that Preston and City of Preston are not seperate articles. Whilst it works well for some articles (Manchester, Warrington, Bristol), I do think this is an article that would certainly benefit from a split. Jhamez84 02:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tithebarn project

Would it make sense for details of the Tithebarn project to be included elsewhere? I fear that there may be some duplication on the Preston bus station page. At the very least, I suspect the project is worthy of its own section within this page. Longwayround 15:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bus Station

I have removed the information about the Bus Station which is duplicated elsewhere, particularly the oft-repeated myth that it is the largest bus station in Europe. Longwayround 18:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fishergate

I think the section on the Fishergate Centre needs updating, epecially as the given website www.fg2.co.uk seems to link to some company manufacturing roof trusses! MrPloppy2 (talk) 12:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Landmarks

Is the recently added section about Preston's tallest buildings really appropriate for inclusion? I don't think Preston is a city which contains a significant number of unusually tall buildings. Admittedly, St. Walburge's church spire is exceptionally tall on a national scale (and perhaps even on an international scale) but the other buildings listed are mainly tower blocks of the type I would imagine are found in many towns and cities across the country, and therefore unremarkable. Perhaps the 'Tall Buldings ...' section should be removed; one or two of the other high buildings could instead be mentioned in the section text, as St Walburges is. Beejaypii (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I think I agree, unless someone can give a compelling counterargument. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, we've waited 10 days and nobody has defended the inclusion of the table of tallest buildings. I've just removed it from the article for the reasons given above. Beejaypii (talk) 22:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] During the Roman period...

I have tried to make sense of the paragraph on the Roman period, but on reflection, what is the point of describing roads from centuries before Preston was founded? It adds nothing to the story of Preston's development, and unless anyone objects in the next few days, I shall delete it. Grafen (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I would urge caution. Even if this paragraph gets turned around to be an explanation of why Preston was (apparently) NOT a Roman town - curious with it lying so conveniently between Ribchester and Kirkham. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember reading, somewhere, there was a small Roman fort at Walton-le-Dale where the Roman road crossed the river. --Dr Greg (talk) 17:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
That's fine by me. If you think the paragraph might be developed into something useful, I shall leave it alone. Grafen (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Electoral arrangements

"Preston City councillors serve a four-year term.... one councillor from each of the three-member wards is elected every year for three years, and those representing 2-member wards being elected in alternate years. Every fourth year there are no Preston City Council elections.."

For 3-member wards, a fourth fallow year makes arithmetic sense. But, presumably, 2-member ward councillors can be elected only in alternate years of the first two in any four year cycle, with years three and four also being fallow? "Electing in thirds" thus seems a bit of a mis-nomer, as all wards are not 3-seaters. But how are resigations, deaths in office, and so on, handled? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

As a candidate in local elections recently, I hope to be able to explain this one. The term is "elected in thirds" but it is a bit misleading. Whilst each three member ward has elections each year for one councillor, the two member wards elected every other year on a kind of rota basis (to give one example, the two-member University ward elected in 2003 for one member, 2006 for its second member, 2007 to re-elect its 2003 member. As it goes 2009 is a fallow year (as was 2005),so the next election will be 2010). Another two-member example is Cadley, with elections in 2004, and 2006, the member elected in 2004 was re-elected this year. It would help - imo - to have all 3- or all 2- member wards to stop any confusion, but such is life...doktorb wordsdeeds 04:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

As a sitting PCC councillor, and a winner of three elections, I made this change. Preston does indeed elect by thirds. One third of the 57 members of council, i.e. 19 Council seats, are elected every year for three years and in the fourth year PCC has no elections. By-elections take place whenever they are required but the by-election winner only sits until the next time time that seat is due for election and not a full four year term. The last by-election in Preston was in the Tulketh ward in February 2008 following the sad death of Councillor Jean Al-Serraj in October 2007. Councillor Peter Rankin, who won the by-election, is due to retire and seek re-election in May 2010. Prestonmag (talk) 15:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)