Talk:Presidential State Car (United States)

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[edit] possible plagerism

http://www.rediff.com/money/2006/aug/18cars.htm

about half way down the page is exactly copied.

Fibinachi 23:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of sentence

I am removing "(at various times, the "Sunshine Special" and the "Bubble Top" have also been on display at that museum)." from the paragraph as it simply is not true. Both the Sunshine Special and the Bubble Top are on permenant Display in the Museum and have not been moved since the 90s; they will remain there unless repair work is needed, or they are destroyed.

[edit] Merge

Merging Cadillac One into Presidential limousine would make sense, but the merge the other way was bogus. The term "Cadillac One" isn't even used much, from Google. --John Nagle 23:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge in progress; adding info about Presidental Lincolns. --John Nagle 23:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge complete; motorcade info imported from Cadillac One, all info now sourced, fixed links, redirected Cadillac One to here, removed merge tag. Done for now.

[edit] Rename needed

Either this article needs renaming to "US presidential limousine" or material on other countries needs to be added. TimVickers 23:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism of Wikipedia

Looks like someone has plagiarised this content: http://automen.blogspot.com/2007/01/limousine-of-us-president.html

[edit] Armchair quarterback speculation need to be substantiated or deleted

This article is full of armchair quarterback speculation. This speculation needs to be explicitly noted as such--which probably would mean it needs to be deleted since it would not be encyclopedic--or substantiated. I have marked several "facts" as needing citation because they are far from certain. This article's speculative nature is unfortunate for such a well-known vehicle. Nova SS 20:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the sections you marked as needing citations are facts and not speculative at all. I think they should be cited, but I read through and nothing is speculative except perhaps the night vision and four-wheel drive. Everything else I've read in a Popular Mechanics article. I might go locate it and put in the proper cites. ~ Rollo44 05:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] another apparent reference

There also seems to be some content from this article here:

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0501_george_bush_inauguration_cadillac_dts_limousine/

I am new to Wikipedia and not savvy on how to create a Reference section so perhaps someone else could take a look at this?

Paul

--Paul Cone 03:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revise

At once, the Kennedy Lincoln was known as the SS100X, not the "X-100" as some dumb bastard called Steve Baker would have us believe. "barnstar" my ass, lets ban him for ever for including dubius information-Margeret Suckley and Harry Swoger....

[edit] Presidential SUV?

The article lacks information about the presidential SUVs sometimes used instead of the stretch limos. I remember seeing these vehicles in TV coverage of the president's first visit to New York City after 9/11, and I was unaware of their existance before that. Like the regular limos they have flags and the presidential seal. What model are they and are they merely regular armored Secret Service SUVs with symbols added or are they as unique as Cadillac One? It would be interesting to know what determines the choice of vehicle. Based on its appearance at Ground Zero and in post-Katrina New Orleans it may be preferred in disaster areas or when the trip was arranged at short notice. I'm not adding this to the article because I'm unable to find any detailed sources beyond confirmation that the president sometimes rides in an SUV.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.195.56 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 5 June 2007

I added a blurb about it (with a ref to a photo), simply because I feel a reader might think the president never rides in anything but a limo from reading the article. The point can be expanded upon further if anyone digs up any more info. The fact that he rode it at a military base and at disaster sites may indicate that transporting the SUV is easier logistically than moving the limo, and it can thus be deployed faster/easier. But that's just idle speculation. Bahamut0013 17:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

As I recall, George W. Rode in an SUV when he visited the Daytona 500 in 2004. The most likely reason for this is that the old tunnel had an steep grade and long wheelbased vehicles could bottom out at the entrance and exit. I don't remember what the other presidents used. jamskatelake 13:18, 17 January 2008}}

[edit] Copy edit

I completed some copy edits for style and sentence structure, and removed duplicate links (Nixon was linked repeatedly for some reason). Please remember to sign your posts. Cheers! ZouBEini 11:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC) They used armored SUVs for disaster zones for a few reasons. Its a on demand short notice thing unlike a official state visit where they have months of planning. But also they need something that can run over crap in the road. When GW went to ground zero the roads where still pretty much impassable and they brought him as close to ground zero as possible in the SUV driving over debre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.19 (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article about presidential cars

Can anyone give a hand with the article about Official state cars? Thanks ;p --Hetfield1987 (Wesborland | James Hetfield) 17:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag Error

The article specifically states that the United States flag goes on the right fender, and the Presidential Flag goes on the left fender, but the picture beside that paragraph shows the exact opposite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winkie (talk • contribs) 13:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vehicle weight is wrong.

Cadillac lists the specs for their limos at a maximum GVWR of 6790 pounds. Even accounting for unspecified secret upgrades for Presidential use, it is not possible for this vehicle to weigh 60000 pounds. Verify at :http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/spotlight/ProV/specs.jsp?type=limousines ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.199.170.82 (talk) 17:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC) its just a random number pulled out of some ones ass. It could be 60,000 Lbs if armored with lead. But you know what. Considering its not even a Caddy DTS chassis but truck. My educated guess and i do deal with Armor plating at my job. We are a aerospace,defense,medical supplies contractor. I would say its 10-14 thousand pounds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.19 (talk) 05:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


Also i am sorry the armor is not 5 inches thick. If it was the car would weigh so much that it would need more then 4 tires. The Glass would be 5 inches thick and is. Most armored cars have glass which is 2-5 inches thick roughly. I wouldnt call is glass. Its a composite of safety glass, Polycarbonate and epoxy resin. The problem with this is that the glass is so thick it cannot be curved. Also no serious armored car has windows that can go down for 1 its a serious security flaw and for 2 each winder weighs around 50lbs

Whoever said that the armor is as heavy as steel? Not that this makes the poorly sourced statement correct... Nova SS (talk) 00:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


I have no clue and no one here has a clue whats in it. The article is mostly BS.

Odds are its a composite of steel armor plating, A few layers of ballistic fiberglass and or kevlar or even spectra shield but i doubt the spectra shield since it has a limited shelf life compared to other aramid fibers.

Hell about 75% of this article is plagiarized http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/cadillac-onelimousine-of-us-president-ar25623.html

any questions feel free to email me at sfazekas@shoreline-motorsports.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.19 (talk) 05:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

True. No way could it weigh 60,000 pounds and run on four car-sized wheels. The wheels would sink into the ground. A Bradley weighs about 50,000 pounds, and an Sherman tank slightly over 60,000, depending on version. Those are tracked vehicles. The Stryker weighs about 40,000 pounds, and runs on eight big tires. Eighteen-wheel trucks are limited to 80,000 pounds. --John Nagle (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Hand Account

I know that a lot of the information is from other sources but I have tried to clean up as much of it as I can. After a first hand account and personal detailed tour of the Presidential Limos, including the SUVs, I felt I have the proper knowledge to write and edit this article. I would like to add that the SUVs are heavily armored, similar to the Cadillac as they are built on a similar chassis. The SUVs are all Chevrolet Suburbans with a few chase cars that are Lincolns and a Ford Expedition. When you see vehicles other than these in a motorcade, they are rentals or hired drivers. The ambulance in the rear of the motorcade is staffed with a Paramedic and an EMT. Generally with the same equipment they always carry. They do not carry blood as they do not have a means to keep it cold. There is a physician and nurse in the motorcade, but they are not in the ambulance. I have a lot more information on this and other Presidential subjects. If you have questions, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.201.142.50 (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, first-hand accounts are not reliable sources. Even if it were not an anonymous account, it would probably fall under 'original research', which is also not good enough. I'm going to remove some unsourced facts from the 'current model' section, or at least indicate that they are speculative. I'll post removed material here on the talk page so that others can try to source it and add it back in later... Cheakamus (talk) 22:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I know that it is pretty heavy. It can take the cornets around the barricade at the front of the whitehouse impossibly fast. --Npop (talk) 01:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced facts about current model

Please help find reliable sources for the following facts about the current model, then add them back to the main article:

  • "a GM truck chassis with a specialized engine is used"
  • "The standard DeVille flush-style door handles have been replaced by a loop-type design, made specifically for this vehicle. The security door handles may only be opened by trained Secret Service personnel."
  • "The exterior wreath-and-crest emblems located behind the rear side windows are the only stock components."
  • "run-flat tires are custom made twice annually by GoodYear."
  • "While on a June 2007 overseas visit to Rome, Italy, the presidential limousine in which President Bush was riding experienced mechanical failure and stalled during a motorcade. In a video widely available on the internet, the presidential limousine can be seen coasting to a halt while the Secret Service agent at the wheel attempts to restart the engine. The vehicle was not able to be immediately restarted and the President was evacuated from the car and placed into the backup limousine. Secret Service and Italian Police are observed attempting to secure the crowd and form a security cordon during the unscheduled stop; finally, after a period of some time, the President emerges from his original car and is whisked away."
This article from the herald-tribune http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/11/frontpage/notebook.php reports that the motorcade stopped, but doesn't mention Bush changing vehicles.
  • "The Vice President of the United States has his own distinct Cadillac limousine, which is currently a 2001 DeVille model displaying the Vice Presidential flag and bearing the Vice Presidential Seal on the rear doors. It is also transported as needed, whether for overseas trips or within the Washington, D.C. area."
Not sure what section of the article this should go into

Cheakamus (talk) 23:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. The presidential limo has way too much lore that is communally reinforced as fact. Nova SS (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Improper text placement

The following text is about the 2001 limo and does not belong in the section about the current vehicle:

Many details of the limousine's construction are secret or classified, but speculation in the press [1] is that the exterior is paneled with five inches of ballistic armor, and that the underside of the car is also armored. The car is also thought to have a run-flat tire system and to be environmentally sealed against chemical and biological attacks.
Similar to its predecessor, the 2001 Presidential Limousine, the stretch Cadillac features an executive plush interior with a rear foldaway desktop, an extensive entertainment system featuring a 10-disc CD changer and adaptive, massaging cushions. The president sits in the rear seat, facing a console-mounted, secure communications panel which is connected to five antennas mounted on the trunk lid. The vehicle has a United States flag mounted on the left front fender and a Presidential flag on the right front fender. Flush-mounted high intensity discharge (HID) spotlights illuminate the flags at night. Similar to an option available on the standard Cadillac DTS, the presidential limousine is said to have a night vision system, with the camera placed in an undisclosed location. [1]

It would be speculation to say this applies to the current car. How should this content be folded into the article?

Nova SS (talk) 00:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Topseed.com is not a reliable source

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-cadillac-onelimousine-of-us-president-ar25623.html appears to just parrot http://automen.blogspot.com/2007/01/limousine-of-us-president.html which in turn may mostly parrot http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/1269716.html. Please do not use the topspeed or automen articles as sources. They appear to be bandied about in this discussion page. Nova SS (talk) 00:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1962 Grill

Kennedy had nothing to do with the decision to upgrade the front clip with a contemporay grill/bumper. Secret Service made this call as well as changing the color to a darker blue. Some scources claim the car was built by Ford with Hess and Eisenhardt installing the interior components, does anyone have any more info as to who built what? 65.43.180.138 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)