Talk:President George Bush Turnpike

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Is this a Texas state highway or a U.S. highway? --BaronLarf 14:44, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Texas. And I've moved the article to reflect this and for consistency with other Texas State Highway articles. There is some confusion though with SH 161, which redirects here, but probably shouldn't, since (at least, currently), it does its own thing between 635 and 183. RADICALBENDER★ 18:55, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

OK, scratch all that. I think I've figured it out now. Turnpike name is: President George Bush Turnpike. SH 190 is the frontage roads from 635 to 78. SH 161 is the frontage roads from 635 to 183. And Google Maps needs to update because they haven't updated the Turnpike to 183. Brain thinking one thing, maps saying another, article says a third. I think I've straightened it out though. RADICALBENDER★ 21:52, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

The main lanes are neither state nor federal. The toll main lanes are corporate-owned. The main lanes are owned by North Texas Turnpike Authority because NTTA paid for them. The frontage-road lanes that are signed SH190 are owned by TxDOT because TxDOT paid for them. —optikos 01:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't 161 actually on the freeway southwest of Belt Line Road? Or has that changed? --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 08:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Given that the designation file ends 161 at Belt Line Road, who maintains the frontage roads between Belt Line and 635? These frontage roads used to be part of the mainline of 161. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 12:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

There aren't any frontage roads between 635 and Beltline. The frontage roads leave the freeway at the 635 interchange and become Valley View Lane. --Holderca1 15:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You're thinking of the I-635–I-35E segment. That's the one that lacks frontage roads. The SH 161–I-635 segment does indeed have frontage roads, but they aren't part of any state highway according to TxDOT's designation files. I guess they're just a local affair or managed by the NTTA, whichever of those is the situation for the DNT frontage roads. —Typhlosion (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I had considered adding, but I'm too tired: there's a significant amount of new information on the grand prairie portion of the project here: [1] I might work on it tomorrow. drumguy8800 C T 08:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New extension of 190

The NTTA received environmental clearance in 2005 [on the extension through Rowlett] and is estimating construction to begin in 2007.
Are there any updates on this? The 190 article is not looking much different than it did 2 years ago. -Rolypolyman 03:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separating PGBT and SH 161 articles

Since 161 Toll is being built from SH 183 south towards I-20 and the legal definition of SH 161 seems to have made it mutually exclusive of the PGBT, I think it's time to make a separate Texas State Highway 161 article. —Typhlosion (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, any SH 161 info not associated with PGBT should be pulled out and placed in a new article. --Holderca1 ^talk 21:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)