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[edit] Big Four Article Needed?

I feel the big four needs its own article or at the very least its own section not just a sub-section under criticism. The emergence needs a more thorough look as Manchester United in particular and also Arsenal's dominance has been there for a long time whereas the Chelsea and Liverpool element has only been about since 2005. other things that need adding Grandslam Sunday, dominance in europe, and its pros as well as its cons. its such an integral part of the league now it really does deserve more than the sub-section it currently occupies.--Gaiushallivar (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that what you are suggesting borders on original research; particularly the pros and cons bit. Everything needs to be verifiable here and I don't think there is enough academic literature written on the Big Four. We have enough people trying to change this article to the Big Three as Liverpool haven't won the League in quite a while. I don't think the Grandslam Sunday is notable enough for an article really, or even to include it in this article, though I am open to suggestions. I would float it past WP:FOOTY first or create an article in your own sandbox such as User:Gaiushallivar/Big Four sandbox, otherwise it might attract the deletionists. Woody (talk) 17:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I have definatly read richard scudamore say on more than one occasion that having four dominant teams means we consistently have four teams who challenge for the title, although again liverpool do flatter to decieve a bit there. also the otherr pro would be the dominance in europe shown by having all four CL teams in the top eight seeds the first ever league to have four in the quarter finals and two years in a row has had 3 teams in the semis including the 3rd semi between chelsea and liverpool in 4 years and a finalist four years in a row. The gulf between the premier league and football league has an article for the same reason this should its integral to the league nowadays. and grandslam sunday definatly deserves a mention if at list in the section on fixtures as they haven't come randomly out of the fixture generator two years in a row SKY have asked for it. also the fact that chelsea have two players( at least) in every position and the general bigger sizes of squads for the big foutr could also be included. thanks for responding quickly by the way--Gaiushallivar (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The troubel you will have is finding sources for that. You have just listed original research in describing what, in all likelihood, is the increasing gap between the top four. We need sources so that we can verify it. It is original research at this point which is expressly forbidden under sore Wikipedia policies. Woody (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Given the very valid comment that much of what you suggest, Gauishalliver, would be borderline if not fully original research, I think you'd struggle to actually find enough content to justify a whole seperate article. But if you could find a good four or five solid paragraphs - akin to near a whole screen of text - then I'd support the creation, as I think that any individual subject matter which can be encyclopædicly discussed over a decent amount of text deserves its own article. I doubt whether you could find enough to say without repeating yourself, but good luck if you want to try. Falastur2 (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying however i just feel if there is an article on the 'premiership-Football league gulf' the Big four deserved one. as it is talked about just as oftenm i'm sure i can find some articles for citation. if anybody else is willing to help i would appreciate it.--Gaiushallivar (talk) 01:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

here is a good source!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7384247.stm86.156.172.58 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archives?

Can we archive all but the currently open issues? -- Grant.Alpaugh 07:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Done Woody (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Teams which won European Cups

I think one of the best statistics to demonstrate the nice competition in the Premier is the high number of different teams that have won European Cups (Champions League, Cup Winner's Cup, UEFA, etc). Don't you think this stat should be included? --El Pantera (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

While several English teams have won a European trophy, only four have won European trophies since the Premier League formed. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move to English Premier League

Shouldn't this article be moved to "Englsih Premier League" do to the fact that there are other leagues across Europe and elsewhere with the title of "Premier League"? The Russian Premier League has its respective nation in its title, aswell should the English Premier League. I do recognize the EPL as the most common use for the term Premier Leauge, but it still can be misleading. 206.45.156.96 (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Russian Premier League is actually called the "Russian Premier League", though, or more correctly, the Championship of Russia. If anything, according to Wikirules the article should be "FA Premier League", it's only known as the "English Premier League" outside of England. As to whether we should add the FA prefix or not...I'm undecided. Falastur2 (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It is no longer the FA Premier League, they dropped the FA and also the English part of the name in favour of a consistent global brand...the Premier League. http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/22/65/0,,12306~91426,00.pdf

[edit] Premier League Wikia

If anyone is interested in helping to build a wiki especially for the Premier League - visit this link // Finns 20:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Irish players not considered foreign

Why does this article state that only 11 players were from outside the uk and the ROI when the league started? Being irish is just as foreign as being french, so is this statistic really relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.70.190 (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that due to the RoI's close history with the UK (remember that second-generation Irish citizens were still eligible for British Commonwealth passports until very recently) laws on who counts as a foreigner in various applications for business include people from Eire as native British in terms of paperwork and visas. Therefore, since Irish footballers have no penalties in coming to the UK to play, they are often included with British citizens in statistics. I believe that UEFA laws on homegrown players allow Irish citizens to count as British too. Falastur2 (talk) 22:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
UEFA rules on homegrown players relate to which clubs they have played for, not what nationality they are. Republic of Ireland should be considered foreign, so to answer the IP's question: No, the statistic is not relevant and doesn't make sense. - MTC (talk) 05:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Only four teams have won the league? wot about liverpool?

Could somebody change it coz i am not sure if there's another team missing

It's correct. Only four clubs have won the Premier League. Liverpool last won the title when it was the old First Division of The Football League. Peanut4 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Yup. It makes more sense when you remember that this season was the 16th Premier League season, and Man United have won 9 times during that period - this year could be ten. Falastur2 (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a list of who won when on this page? 70.88.213.74 (talk) 21:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this page works well enough for that - and it's linked quite visibly high up on this page, so it's not very hidden. But your idea has some merit. Falastur2 (talk) 21:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
English football champions is also linked on the page. Again I have some sympathy with your idea, but the list would eventually become unwieldy. Maybe some compromise could be reached. Peanut4 (talk) 22:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trophy

I think it would be a great idea to include a picture of the Premiership Trophy as is the case in most other tournament articles. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.41.139 (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Shearer's total League goals

I've read the archived discussion on this issue, but I'm still confused. The Alan Shearer page on Wikipedia currently states 260 goals, and the breakdown by season indeed does add up to 260. In the archived Talk discussion on this issue, mention is made of the Premier League website being wrong, but looking at that website right now, it also has 260 for Shearer. So, can we agree that 260 is the correct number and make sure that all pages on Wikipedia have this number? The page I was looking at when I noticed the discrepancy was the Andy Cole page, but I didn't want to edit it without being sure.

Ros brodie (talk) 16:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)