Talk:Premie

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Votes for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on May 28, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Please merge the info over too. Rather than a redirect would it be better as a disambiguation? "Preemie" is the more typical spelling for premature babies, I believe, but "premie" is apparently used as well. Thanks for your contributions, -Willmcw 22:03, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Please look into the history before submitting something for vfd. Mgm|(talk) 20:42, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Removed the source abour "ex-premie" as it violates WP:NOR. You can try and find a reliable source that describes the small group of people that call themselves "ex-premies" and that describe their website and you could add it. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have clarified this further so that it is not OR. The citation is from a reputable secondary source. Smeelgova 22:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
I am going to add the WIP tag, in order to add more reputable citations from secondary sources. Please respect. Smeelgova 22:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
Sure, go ahead. Just remember that this is a disambig page for the term "premie". ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Smeelgova 22:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Please do not remove material that has been heavily sourced from reputable secondary sources. This is only an additional two sentences, and belongs on this disambig page. I'm not saying we need to discuss the entire issue in the article, just define the terms. Smeelgova 23:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

You copied the text to Criticism of Prem Rawat, so there is no need to have it duplicated here. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
In this location, it is purely defining the term, in the other location, the information can be expanded upon from secondary sources. Smeelgova 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC).


On further reflection, this page needs to be deleted or redirected. Disambiguation pages are designed to list articles associated with the same title, and not to be used as a dicdef page. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Dictionary_definitions. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"later in general indicating followers of Prem Rawat", it is not factually accurate. The term was dropped 20 years ago in the West, although it is still used in India. Due to lack of sources, it would be best to stick with what we have (Melton)≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Excess wikilinks

Trim per MOS? Care to explain? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Individual entries
  • Each bulleted entry should, in almost every case, have exactly one navigable (blue) link. To avoid confusing the reader, do not wikilink any other words in the line. [emphasis in original]
In this case, one of the linked pages was just a redirect. I don't care which article is linked, but there should only be one. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
It would be better to link to Guru Maharaj Ji as it is in this context that the source speak of. That would be factually accurate. I'll leave it to you. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)
What source? Weren't the senior Rawat's followers also known as "premies"? If so then the DLM link would cover both Rawats. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Melton, no? That is what you said. I do not know how the Manav Daram followers call themselves; as I said there is only one source I found about them I remember reading, but I have yet to locate it. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall saying anything about Melton. I'm not sure what Manav Daram has to do with anything. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Melton refers to "premies", as per previous discussions. Manav Daram is the organization of Satpal, and I have not seen the term "premie" referred to Satpal's followers anywhere. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I never said anything about Melton. I never said abything about Satpal or the Manav Daram. Are we on the same page here? I'm sure I can find a source that members of the DLM were called "premies". Is that really in doubt? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 :) You said above: Weren't the senior Rawat's followers also known as "premies"? If so then the DLM link would cover both Rawats. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I was referring to Prem Rawat's father. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Our article on Prem Rawat says:

  • During the 1960s, Americans in India searching for spiritual guidance met members of his father's Divine Light Mission (founded in 1960) and a few became initiates or premies from the Hindi prem, lit. "love".

Is that article wrong? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, Versions of Deconversion: Autobiography and the Loss of Faith by Barbour (p. 172) says:

  • A "premie" is literally a "lover of God" and is the official term to designate members of the DLM.

That seems pretty clear. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Is this again of these silly things that we cannot sort out without endless discussions, Will? As I said above, I self reverted, and I leave that to you. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)
I think it's pretty well sorted out. Thanks for your participation. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)