Talk:Prehistory of Poland (until 966)

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[edit] To do

See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Pre-history of Polish lands and its to do list. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

-The legend about founding town of Gniezno is not related with the legend of three Slavic brothers. Futhermore town Gniezno was not any major centre until the end of the legendary dynasty of Popielids, who ruled over Greater Poland and were from the tribe of Goplans, which was neighbour of the tribe of Polans from which Piast dynasty originates. Dynasty of Popiel is an earlier legendary dynasty then dynasty of Piast, which is not legendary, but historical. Many believe Kruszwica (burned and rebulded couple times in changing locations) which suppose to be the legendary place for Popiel's tower and located near lake of Goplo was the primary power centrum of Greater Poland in prehistoric times. Also not Gniezno until dynasty of Popielids died out and dynasty of Piast took over. Pan Piotr Glownia 19:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The entire sections are singulary referenced by qoutes form "U źródeł Polski" new - not academic German capital publisher Wydawnictwo Dolnośląskie; perhaps representing traditionaly puched by Germans allochtonic view.

Nasz 02:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archeological cultures and ethnic afiliatio hiphothesis

the sections should be separated .

Evident archeological cultures should be described as archeological cultures.

The speculative, we do not have writen sources in earth, ethnic afiliation scould be in the separated sections.

Othervise is imposible to give the presentation of conflicting argumentation betwen diferent views linking elements of archeological cultures with proposed ethnic afiliaion.

Scholarly archeology do not speculte on ethnic afiliation, the archeological culture may be absorbed by any ethnic group of people as we can observe today by trade atrefacts or migrating material culture.

Nasz 04:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey of archeology and early history of Polish lands

This (unfinished, as of the last May 13 version) article attempts a to give a semi-historical presentation, not to technically follow scholarly archeology. Although partially differently organized, it follows its main source, a popular book written by prominent Polish archeologists and historians. The Slavic section hopefully will be worked on further, but it already correctly identifies the majority scientific point of view. Wikipedia is not a place for ideological or nationalistic considerations or sloppy, semi-coherent and disruptive writing.

Orczar 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments before a GA review

This article is certainly improving and approaching a WP:GA level, but 1) there are many unreferenced statements that need attribution per WP:V and 2) with over 150kb it is too long, and some parts should be split to subarticles, per WP:SUMMARY. Below I paste some bot suggestions, some may be worth considering.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks,  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improving the article

I didn't mean to suggest that the article is ready for review, the last section has no references yet etc. Other sections are reasonably referenced as I see it (not every sentence can or should be referenced), but I could provide additional references as needed. Several issues need attention indeed and I intend to work on it. Obviously I decided to sacrifice brevity for a comprehensive treatment of the subject not treated in depth in the English language so far. The reform should start I believe from splitting the article into two parts, e.g. Prehistory of Poland through late Antiquity and Poland in early Middle Ages. Then, gradually as I have time, I could work on further restructuring and bringing the article in line with Wikipedia standards and practices.

(Orczar 17:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC))

The above review is not final, it's just something I hope will help you keep on track with our Manual of Style. Do note, however, that per WP:V every sentence should be referenced, otherwise - unless its really obvious knowledge - it may be challenged as OR/false and removed.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Prehistory of Poland

This series of articles on Poland's prehistory is for an encyclopedia purpose basically complete.

Orczar (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification - justification

As there is no logical bases for attaching the "Polish" designation to the lands of present day Poland throughout most of the prehistory of the area, the practice of doing so may seem wholly artificial. Such an approach however is favored by the following practical considerations:

1. The territory of Poland is the principal area of interest and investigations of Polish archeology, and is described by Polish archeologists and historians in various monographs, research publications and books, most often in the Polish language, with Polish place-names and terminology. It is therefore practical and convenient to deal with the subject as a "prehistory of Poland".

2. The area of the modern Polish state is of natural historic interest to the Poles and others with related interests, who are curious to know what happened in the past in what is now Poland, and how the Polish nation and state came into being.

Such considerations, which may apply equally well to other countries and areas, would seem to justify summarizing efforts such as this one. They should be seen (and make sense only) as a part of the historically and geographically larger context, as described in works appropriate to that more general level, and in works dealing with various historic phenomena in their more fundamental sense, that is without regard to the present day borders or situation.

Orczar (talk) 20:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)