Talk:Predestination paradoxes in fiction

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From red vs blue in machinema: "On arrival, his attempts to remake the past are undone, since he never went to the past, and the timeline is restored." This makes no sense, as he was the sole cause of every single thing he tried to change. If all of his actions during his visit to the past were undone, the whole time travel situation would have never come about, turning the whole thing into a grandfather paradox, which it's quite obviously not. I think the writer forgot that there were two instances of the character at the time, one of which was sent to the past. I've omitted the line for now. --711groove 04:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 "Q Who"/First Contact/"Regeneration" 2 Baby Hitler 3 This article receives a rating of Totally Awesome 4 Examples... 5 Why are self-fulfilling prophecies included in this article?

[edit] "Q Who"/First Contact/"Regeneration"

"This disregards the fact that the Borg originally gained Earth's coordinates from the Enterprise's computer in the episode Q Who?."

I would hardly call this a "fact." Nowhere in any episode was it ever said that the Borg got the coordinates for Earth during "Q Who." In fact, "Regeneration" is the ONLY episode in which any explanation whatsoever is given for how the Borg found out the location of Earth. Whoever wrote this sentence of the article made this stuff about getting the coordinates from the Enterprise's computer up in order to discredit "Regeneration" (and indeed, probably all of Enterprise). This is a piece of fanon that should be stricken from the article. For now, I'm removing it myself. --Antodav 18:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baby Hitler

There are two references to a story about baby Hitler getting killed by a female time traveller and replaced with a gypsy child. One says it's a Twilight Zone episode, the other says Outer Limits. I hope someone who knows both series better than I can check this. In the pretty unlikely event that both series used the same plot, this should be noted. 130.67.101.61 10:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article receives a rating of Totally Awesome

Sorry for the useless edit, but I had to gush. This is the single greatest Wikipedia article of all time. It is a tour de force of philosophical fankruft! I love it with every ventricle of my heart. An article that references both Darkwing Duck and Baby Hitler? More please! Poisonink 04:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Examples...

Wouldn't exmaples be better written chronologically, rather than as they appear?

Fred arrives from the future and leaves the plans that Fred later uses to build a time machine and travel into the past.

Rather than:

Fred find plans to build a time machine. He builds it and then travels back to leave plans for himself to find, thus completing the loop.

The first, I think, flows better, makes the predestination clearer and retell the story so to speak.
Duggy 1138 (talk) 06:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why are self-fulfilling prophecies included in this article?

First off, they are (as dictated by Wikipedia within the article itself) "technically not a predestination paradox." In fact, they aren't paradoxes. I removed the Star Wars reference because it made no sense, and similar situations (such as in the movie Minority Report) aren't referenced here. In the Minority Report (Film) article here on Wikipedia, a source is referenced as saying "...The prediction drives the act - a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can see the vicious circle, and it's delicious (if a little maddening) to ponder." We have a self-fulfilling prophecy article (which is what the Star Wars Episode III portion of this article was).

I'm not privy to most of the Wikipedia procedures, but perhaps a vote on moving/changing the nature of this article is in order? --71.167.134.137 (talk) 06:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

See the main article, but a predestination paradox is a future event that causes a past event which causes the future event which...etc. DonQuixote (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)