Talk:Pre-Socratic philosophy
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Anaxagoras is also one of the praesocratic philosophers. "Anaxagoras materiam infinitam, sed ex ea particulas similes inter se minutas", Acad. 11, 118
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[edit] Demomotus
For anyone who knows more about this subject than I do, please check out Demomotus. As Sietse pointed out on Wikipedia:Reference desk, it gets no Google hits that are not copies of the same article and the style of the article seems, er, a little on the creative side. older≠wiser 15:58, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Graphical Relationship
I have just added a graphical relationship image for this article. I tried to do my best with a software that I was learning at the same time (Graphviz), but I hope it is at least ok. The source-code is at http://www.geocities.com/elolvido83/pre-socratic.txt but please use my "My Talk" page to notify about any changes - I will be glad to help. tresoldi 05:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I added an improved version of the graph, with a time-line and more organized, but strangely Wikipedia only shows a thumbnail if its width is larger than 500px (which probably is too much): smaller thumbnails are showed in blank. Any idea? tresoldi 17:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
- That picture really doesn't explain what the difference between the red arrows and the black arrows are.Cereal box conspiracy 17:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pre-Socreatics?
I'm quite oriented to remove the Sophists from the list; in the books or chapters devoted to pre-socratic philosophy, the sophists are never considered pre-socratics, for obvious reasons (they are massively present in the Socratic dialogues and are strongly involved in moral and political, much more than natural, philosophy).--Aldux 00:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking about that when I built the graphical relationship exactly from this source. Even though, I don't think that considering the sophists pre-socratics is completely wrong: there seems to be a little of prejudice (coming from none less than Socrates himself), as the division between philosophers and sophists is not always that easy and the influence (at least in terms of opposition to the sophists) is unquestionable. For clarity and "tradition", however, I do agree that just a paragraph mentioning the sophists might do. tresoldi 21:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think whether or not a philosopher is present in Socratic dialogues or whether or not a philosopher was strongly invovled in moral philosophy have anything to do with whether a philosopher is a Presocratic. Whether or not one is Presocratic seems to have mostly to do with whether or not one's own philosophy was influenced by Socratic philosophy or the philosophy of Socrates' followers. All of the Sophists had philosophical views of their own that were quite independent of Socrates' influence. Plus most, if not all, of them were older than Socrates (for this, see Plato's Protagoras 314b, where Socrates tells Hippocrates that they had better consult their "elders" concerning the matters they have been discussing; Protagoras, Hippias, and Prodicus are clearly the "elders" to whom he refers). (Of course being older than Socrates isn't a necessary condition for being a Presocratic; Democritus was actually younger, but he was uninfluenced by Socratic philosophy.) Finally, there are well-respected texts that focus on the Presocratics and that do include discussion of the Sophists: Hermann Diels' seminal work The Fragments of the Pre-Socratics, and Jonathan Barnes's The Presocratic Philosophers (1982). Isokrates 16:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] most important contribution
The pre-socratics most important contribution is shifting cosmogony and ontology away from mythology. they were the first people to try to explain the world without using human terms. They tried to de-anthrocentrize the world.
[edit] Philolaus an Eleatic?
The image in this page (Image:Presocratic_graph.png) classifies him as an Eleatic, using the yellow color of the school. However, he is a Pythagorean (of which school the color is something like white-pink), and I can't find a mention that he is an Eleatic from either Philolaus or Eleatics page. So can someone change the color of Philolaus in the image? --Acepectif (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
