Talk:Pre-Siberian American Aborigines

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[edit] Fuegians

Why are they included here? Has anyone even actually seen Fuegians? They look very akin to most Indigenous Americans and even more like Siberians or Arctic Natives than most other Native American populations. I believe that Charles Darwin himself even commented upon first encountering them that they resembled more the natives of the far north and Arctic than others he had seen in South America. There are no physical characteristics that makes Fuegians appear to have descended from Aborigines or native Australians more so than any other indigenous American population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.216.130.45 (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The idea is not that they are direct descendants, but that they may share some cultural commonalities (and perhaps partial lineage) with the hypothetical pre-Siberian inhabitants. As far as the 'Patagonian myth' goes, you can describe a people in any way, shape or fashion using anecdotal evidence - personal impressions do count for something, but I don't think they can substitute for good solid evidence. Personally, I think it doubtful that Fuegians are anything other than an Amerind population, but their isolation has led to marked differences with other Amerinds in nearby Chile and Argentina. That said, who knows who preceded them. Twalls (talk) 14:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lagoa Santa story

Must correct the story of Lago Santa; Walter neves actually had the first ide when mesured Lagoa Sanat skulls that had been taken to Copenhagen by Lund. See [1]
Jorge Stolfi 08:57, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Critics

The phrase [...] who crossed the Pacific Ocean and arrived in South America long before the ancestors of today's American Indian peoples came there. doesn't seam to make sense.

Perhaps it's just poorly phrased, cause I understand that there's a theory that this people got to America, but why before the so called American Indians? How can you then say they are not the same thing? Or at least, that they mixed up? or that they coexisted!

And what's worse, I can't help thinking this is just an original research (check google) Mariano(t/c) 09:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

  • I actually saw the TV documentation this article seems to base on... I don't know if there is any online source to support this theorie, but I remember the TV documentation very well. I didn't write this article, so there are at least two of us who seem to remember the same things. This TV documentation seemed to be based on pretty good science and as far as I remember made those claims that the American Aborigines were there before because of radio carbon dating or such dating techniques. The not mixing up was proved by genetics. The claims that there may have been a war was made by old paintings of Americna Aborigines in caves. But as I said, I didn't write the original article so I don't know for sure on which sources it is based and since I recall the TV documentation which clamed the same thing and seemed pretty accurate to me I didn't and still don't doubt this article Echalone 15:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this article needs more substantiation than recollection of an unnamed documentary. There are some sources given, but the material in the article does not really accurately or helpfully describe the information they contain. It is in need of a thourough overhaul, if it is not in fact better to merge with something like models of migration to the New World. I've placed a cleanup tag on it.--cjllw | TALK 23:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


The articles wou give are not coherent among eachother. One of them claims that there was African inmigration to the Americas, whereas the other points to people from Siberia. Mariano(t/c) 12:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
What about mtDNA? Has it already been isolated from the skeletons of the alleged "Pre-Indians"? It should just be done automaticly. 82.100.61.114 00:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Name

The article has an awkward name; it's a mouthful. The article only mentions a handful of the candidate sites, and just today I added references to the original scholars who put this theory forward. I don't think it should necessarily be restricted to South America, either. It should cover proponents, proposed routes, remains and sites. Perhaps a name like "Theory of Early Migration to the Americas" would be more appropriate. I'm not sure about "Pre-Siberian", although it does have its merits. Some scholars view Siberia as having served as merely a transit point. Thoughts on the name, content? Twalls 23:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

There's Models of migration to the New World which is linked from this article.
Pre-Siberian means that later migrants came from the Siberian interior (where there is a mtDNA connection with contemporary Native Americans). This is consistent with usage in Russia itself of Siberia for the center of the continent and Russian Far East instead for the Russian Pacific coast plus Sakha. Phenotypically, what seems to interest Americans for political reasons is that they are less Mongoloid or of East Asian appearance, but nobody wants to say pre-Mongoloid. --JWB 01:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)