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[edit] old unorganized undated unsigned discussions

This article had become ridiculously POV - hopefully I've removed the main problems. Feel free to contradict me, but extend the courtesy of doing so in talk first. Nylarathotep

Research has also suggested that prior to the rebellion the Cornish language had strengthened and more concessions had been made to Cornwall as a "nation", and that anti-English sentiment had been growing stronger, providing additional impetus for the rebellion.

I would like to see such research with evidence - if not I'll remove. Nylarathotep

I put that in, I think it was NJ Williams? I think he was argueing against Ken George's 'map' of the westward retreat of cornish. The stannary parliment had been given more powers in that period which seemed to extend it beyond the original concept... I'll try and find the reference.86.140.177.67

I must agree with the 'long term causes' bit below that this article did seem a little weirdly lopsided. There was no references at all to the cornish language and the reference to 'a dialect' i think shows whoever wrote this article didn't actually know what they were doing. There seemed to be a lot about Devon so suspect maybe they were a local historian or something?

The only books I have with me now are source documents/academic books on the cornish language so I've put as much of that as I'm sure, I have a book about the rebellion at home that I'll check if I remember, I'd like to check some of the stuff here as it seemed very devon centralised, I've seen one person on wiki trying to claim it was mostly a devon affair which sorry is just complete rubbish so if it is that person I should check every fact... The 'christmas game' qoute is also in the articles of the rebels (though it is very possible it was used repeatedly.)

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In refererence to the above see http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/prayer_book_rebellion.htm which not being a southwest site should not be biased, here certainly there appears to be a lot which is missing from this article.

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I've removed the link to John Russell, 1st Earl Russell in the article, since he was born in 1792 and so couldn't have been involved in this. Cnyborg 23:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That would seem a problem! However I think we had the wrong John Russell. The John Russell of the Western Rebellion fame became the first Earl of Bedford. It seems he attained this because of his actions during the Western Rebellion Dewnans 3 March 2005

All right, what the divvil is this alleged neutrality dispute about? I'm sick of seeing NPOV notices on every article relating to Cornwall. QuartierLatin1968 20:37, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You too? As there's nothing here that seems terribly NPOV, and the talk page lacks anything relating to it I've removed it for the time being. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:09, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is simplistic to paint the Western Rebellion as a reactionary backlash against the introduction of the Book of Common Prayer. Instead it seems that the introduction of the Prayer Book was the last straw, it was actually the more significant socio-economic changes that were made in conjunction with this that alienated so many rural people - such as divorcing the Church from the local community, by making it effectively a Tax collector for the state and seperating the clergy out from the communities which they had been a part of the fabric of. These moves along with the ongoing acts of enclosure were destroying ways of life that went back hundreds of years.

The claims that the rebellion was simply backward peasants harking back to Catholicism seem to have been made retrospectively - and also probably at the time - by the Government to justify their actions in ruthlessly suppressing the rebels. In fact, many of the areas that would appear to be most 'Catholic' were within only a few generations to be the most staunchly non-conformist, which simply doesn't fit with a purely 'religious' or theological argument. Trotboy 22:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long Term Causes

There are many more long term causes not addressed in this article - economic discontent, elements of anti-clericalism, Cornwall's traditional geographical isolation, etc that I don't have time to add... Anyone? Nylarathotep

[edit] The sentence "To decades of oppression were recently added two years of rampant inflation"...

...is very confusing and probably contains a grammatical error. Should it mean "To decades of oppression were added two years of rampant inflation"? Surely the inflation wasn't added to the oppression recently? Jtownson 14:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

THE BISHOP'S APOLOGY How can one apologise for something one did not do? One can say it is a pity something happened, but wihout personal responsibliity there can be no apology. Must this section be included, or should there be in Wiki an apology by someone for every infortunate event in the past. Presumably the bishop is not going to give up his present services and restore the Sarum Mass so it is a case of contrition without restitution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.254.156 (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)