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[edit] NPOV Violation

Under controversies, the quote "Pratibha Patil has sided with the All India Christian Council (AICC) and the Christian Legal Association of India, and vetoed Rajasthan Freedom of Religion Bill, a bill passed by the Rajasthan Legislative Assembly in April 2006, aimed at controlling forced religious conversions . Similar legislation exist in some other Indian states.[2]" is violative of the following wiki policies:

- NPOV - verifiability - BLP

There is no evidence of whatever is being alleged here. This page is being repeatedly vandalized by political shills who are trying to color a current event. The link pointed to also does not substantiate whatever is being alleged here.

A biased POV as above, with no bases in reality, could expose Wikipedia to unneccessary litigation. Be warned!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.9.188 (talk • contribs)


[edit] Purdah Remarks

Deleted the sentence "Pratibha patil has retracted these false remarks about purdah few days later." "False remarks" seems NPOV and the statement lacks a reference.

Mikmd

[edit] Shorten campaign section?

I saw this article for the first time after hearing about Patil's election. It seems that there is a huge amount of information about campaign controversies, most of which are no longer relevant. While the conduct of the campaign is historically interesting and should remain in some form, the many long sections seem no longer important to the reader who wants to learn more about the President-elect. Can anyone compress the information into one or two paragraphs? Sxp151 16:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

it is true and sources were sited, it will be added back soon.

[edit] Women President vs Female President

I do not know the wiki standard on referring gender but i guess Women President is a more appropriate word, at least from the Indian journalistic standards 59.93.115.163


what is that suppose to mean. Saying women is fine, quit wining.
This is a rather rude response to a valid remark. Gender refers to a psychological construct, whereas sex is biological. Gautam Discuss 16:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Wikipedia:Criticism#Criticism_in_a_.22Criticism.22_section is not a guideline. Furthermore nearly all the remotely good articles (Rajiv Gandhi, Narendra Modi, etc) have controversy sections. Our Indian politicians seem to get a lot of flak from people, so the controversy section is a good place to keep it from poisoning the rest of the article.Bakaman 17:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

As of July 11th 2007, the section on 'Controveries' tries to actively promote the 'knowpratibhapatil' web site and Arun Shouri's article, both of which have been written to favor the views of the opposition political party. Clarifications on these allegations, that have appeared in many indian national dailies, need to be incorporated into the article to present a balanced view of this political drama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.137.129 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Office of profit

Pratibha Patil was member of Lok Sabha between 1991 to 1996 and she was chairperson and director of the sugar factory. Is it not holding Office of profit while being a MP which is forbidden by law. Does any editor have more information or comment to make on this aspect. Shyamsunder08:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Under 'legal sections' there is a mention of a PIL on this issue. 59.92.123.12 11:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Bold text== The role of the BJP in the Controversies == India is a big name in Asia. Asian history is entirely corrupt covered up by vested interests. If Russians can behave like banana state why not India or Pakistan and Somalia or Sudan? Asian states can change only if political leadership uses laptops in day to day affairs. Reality here is very bitter waiting to be revealed by future generations or may be truth will never see light and criminals will walk away with corrupt media grace.

There seems to be some doubt about the role of the BJP in generating the controversies. Some editors are of the opinion that the controversies are self-generated - i.e. the media has investigated Ms. Pratibha Patil's past activities and painted her as a controversial figure while the BJP has only been commenting on this after the media reported it. The role of the media in publicising the issue is a fact (the reference section of the article is proof of this).

My research however has led me to the conclusion that the BJP has been the starting point of actively highlighting these issues to the public through various press conferences and official statements. The media then picked on these issues and did further investigations. And now the BJP is trying to show it as if the media exposed these allegations (their website 'Know Pratibha Patil' is a collection of articles from the media). All this is NOT some 'original research' on my part.

Here are the facts (with references) that point to the BJP's role in highlighting the issues in the media:

1. They have publicly admitted that their strategy for presidential campaign is to 'build a strong public opinion against her' [1] through the media:

“ "Our media strategists are on the job. The BJP has launched a vigorous campaign against Patil, but the fact is that this is not a direct election in which people participate. Whether this media campaign will be able to win support from parties that do not want to associate themselves in any way with us is yet unclear," a senior BJP leader said. [2] ”

Indian Express reported on July 11, 2007 that the BJP 'owned' up to its campaign against Ms. Pratibha Patil, after assessing it to be a hit in its constituency[3]. The report further stated:

“ The first press conference on Patil on June 22, where a woman accused her of protecting murderers, was organised stealthily by people associated with the party, which officially feigned ignorance. A fortnight later, it was a different tune. "There is no dilemma within BJP about this responsible campaign. It is also morally correct, and what is moral has to be also politically correct," said Jaitley, asked if this was a party campaign. "I am here with the full backing and approval of the party president," he said. [3] ”

The media too have commented on the role of the BJP in generating media attention on Ms. Patil.

NDTV:

“ ... But how did this five-year-old bank scandal, like the many others linked to the Patil family, overnight transform into national headlines? The ghosts from Pratibha Patil's past now splashed in the national media day after day. ... For the BJP the credit goes to Eknath Khadse, the BJP's point man for North Maharashtra, who they say played a key role in ensuring that the local scandals became national headlines. [4] ”

Headlines India:

“ ... the real motive could well be to keep the "anti Pratibha" campaign alive in media and to stage some kind of last minute swing in favour of Bhairon Singh Shekhawat[5]. ”

2. Another not so unimportant fact - The BJP are very media savvy[6]. This newspaper article[7] mentions how the BJP workers have been honing their skills to campaign their views more effectively on the media. The report explains how senior journalists explained what the media expected through statements and press releases. A BJP spokesperson said:

“ ... agitations, demonstrations and dharnas are alright, but then workers from all parties do it. It is more essential to learn how to write press releases, letters to the editor and open lines of communication with the media ... ”

3. The BJP has held press conferences and released press statements on these allegations (media reports on these can be found in the references of the main article).

Please note that I am not saying that the BJP has just made up these allegations. Only that they have compiled a list of allegations against her based on material available in the public domain (court cases, RBI report, local news articles) and disseminated these allegations to the media through press releases, conferences or official statements as the first stage of their political campaign. They have now compiled a list of media articles and are trying to present the whole thing as an 'expose' by the media through their Know Pratibha Patil campaign.

In summary, to provide a more balanced POV we need to consider:

  • The BJP has been very active in highlighting certain allegations in the media against Ms. Pratibha Patil as part of their political campaign for the presidential election.
  • The opposition is actually the NDA. It is only the BJP who have been active in this campaign, so don't refer to them as the 'opposition' or the NDA.
  • The allegation compiled by the BJP are based on records available in the public domain.

[edit] Update:

(Further references that points to the BJP's hand in trying to generate the controversy).

Arun Shourie, a member of the BJP[8], has written a 3 series article on Pratibha Patil. These articles have been highly publicised in the media[9][10][11][12]. In an interview with the BJP President Rajnath Singh, Karan Thapar (the interviewer) mentions that the articles are highly misleading:

“ ... You have officially released articles by Arun Shourie claiming that Pratibha Patil was the founder-chairperson of the Pratibha Mahila Shahakari Bank (in Jalgaon, Maharashtra) and that she continued as its founder-chairperson till the demise of the bank. That is wrong — the founder-chairperson is in fact Mrs Sonalkar and she held that post for 11 years. Pratibha Patil was the fourth chairperson and she only held the job for one month and eight days ... these allegations are made in a booklet published by the BJP ... ”
“ ... Arun Shourie was questioned about these allegations and he said that it is on her bio-data in the Lok Sabha that she was a member of that body and it was in on her bio-data as the Governor of Rajasthan. I have checked both bio-datas, neither claims that she was ever founder-chairperson of the bank ... Your book is not just fraudulent, it is deliberately wrong. In it you have said that three women, who you allege are sisters-in-law and nieces of Pratibha Patil, were given interest waivers amounting to almost Rs 33 lakh. That is not true. First, all the women are not connected to Pratibha Patil. Secondly, they were not given interest waivers. Thirdly, they repaid the interest in full at 13.5 percent, which is the RBI guideline for that category of loan. Finally, they repaid the principal as well ... ”
“ ... Another deliberate falsehood (in the book) — this time very cunningly and very cleverly put across. You say in your book that loans totalling Rs 2.25 crore were distributed to Pratibha Patil’s family members and they were then defaulted upon. Then you cite the names of the family members, and you suggest that these names have been released by the RBI. The truth is that the names have not been released by the RBI — the names have come from employees of the bank employees union, which is affiliated to the BJP and it's authenticity and credibility is highly questionable ... ”
“ ... What you call allegations are in fact your own clever concoction of lies, half-truths and deliberate misinterpretations. Worst of all you have deliberately and manipulatively confused between RBI documents and employee union complaints. You are misleading people. ”

Indusv 03:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

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  8. ^ [http://164.100.24.167:8080/members/website/Mainweb.asp?mpcode=72 Website of SHRI ARUN SHOURIE
  9. ^ DNA - July 04, 2007
  10. ^ Times Now - June 27, 2007
  11. ^ - Zee News - June 27, 2007
  12. ^ Indian Express - June 28, 2007

Indusv 01:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Woman President

BBC News reported this major event. --Florentino floro 05:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rajni or Rajani or both?

In the 'shielding' accusation paragraph, there seems to be a professor by the name of Rajani Patil. The first name of the widow of V.G.Patil is not mentioned here, but in the article on the murder case, she is named Rajni. Are all occurrences of Rajni/Rajani correct? Must they all be named Patil, by the way? LarRan 22:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Both are variant transliterations. "Rajni" seems to be more widely used. utcursch | talk 06:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

The references in this article need strenthening, using the cite web template and a description of the link. --SidiLemine 10:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maharashtrian President

Since Pratibha Patil is the first Maharashtrian President of India, it is quite appropriate to mention this fact in the article. It will not be proper for anyone to remove it. Thanks.Kanchanamala 04:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] lmao she is the 12 not 13 prez

get your facts straight. got the official website of the prez of india.she is the 12 not 13 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manchurian candidate (talk • contribs) 00:42, 29 July 2007.

According to List of Presidents of India, she is the 13th elected president - but the 12th to hold the office. Rajendra Prasad is counted twice, since he was elected in 1950 and re-elected in 1957. Acting presidents are not counted. ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 12:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
If executives serve consecutive terms, they are counted as one. If they serve non-consecutive terms, such as Grover Cleveland served in the United States, then they attain two slots. That's what I know, IMHO. Gautam Discuss 16:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice picture title

It appears that the words 'CHOR (THIEF)' have been inserted into the title of her picture. This is the result of vandalism I take it? I'd seriously doubt 'chor' is anywhere in her name, because it does, in fact, mean 'thief'.

[edit] father and birth year

In a year book from 1975 Patil's birth year is given as 1937 and her father's name as Nanasahib Patil. Can someone verify this information. [8][9]The article doesn't explain how she got her lastname Patil --Dunnob 07:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Smt"

What word is "Smt" short for, and what does it mean? 202.89.152.202 09:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Smt. is short for Shrimati. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)