Talk:Prabowo Subianto

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: Template loop detected: Template:WPBiography Prabowo Subianto is part of WikiProject Indonesia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Indonesia and Indonesia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page. Please do not substitute this template. How you can help: Discussion board Start This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale. Mid This article has been rated as mid-importance on the importance scale. Indonesian WikiProject • Indonesian notice board • Indonesian WikiPortal I have done my best to "clean up" this article and to remove obvious NPOV problems. (The man is obviusly a bastard, and it comes out clearly even when the article is re-written in the most objective way I could make it and without the emotional outbursts of the original writer). I think the tags can now be removed. Anybody care to comment on that? Adam keller 01:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC) Adam, i think you have done some great work, but much of this article's content is unreferenced speculation and/or commentary. (ie, too much "reasonable assumptions", "this means", etc.) Wikipedia should not have either but just deal with facts. I have put a whole lot of {{cn}} tags where I think in-line citations shoudl be provided, or info removed completely. Thus, depsite you improvements, i still think this article needs the tags. It is essentially an opinion peice, not an encyclopedic entry. I actually agree with much of what is written (Ie, I am no Prabowo fan!), but it is still only opinion and speculation in many places. --Merbabu 03:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC) That is reasonable. I did locate in the Jakarta Riots of May 1998 article a specific source to one item which was originally unreferenced and copied it here, and will try to do more, but I think it needs very much work - much more than was needed to just tidy up the material which was there already.Adam keller 13:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Contents 1 Comments 2 Assessment 3 Potential Sources 4 WikiProject class rating 5 Comments 6 Assessment 7 Potential Sources 8 WikiProject class rating [edit] Comments I've posted this from a subpage of this article - it wasn't much use there. My posting here is not intended as endorsement or objection. Hope original poster doesn't mind... This 'bio' reads like the worst form of Fleet-Street penny-dreadful propagandist leaflet. The amount of emotive non-referenced and highly speculative, not to mention outright libelous/slanderous commentary is shocking. I strongly argue the entire article be removed and the speculation and accusation placed into a new sub-category. At worst it reads as speculative provative slander, at best emotive politicised anecdotally-based character assassination. THis artlcle has little historical, social or academic merit. (Starstylers 04:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)) regards --Merbabu 04:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] Assessment I've just rated this a start class article and "mid" importance (from "low", "mid", "high", or "top"). Any thoughts? --Merbabu 11:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] Potential Sources Friend, T. (2003). Indonesian Destinies. Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-01137-6.  is a good book. A fair bit of Prabowo discussion. Also, the Asiaweek article listed in further reading is looooooooooong - must be something in there. --Merbabu 11:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] WikiProject class rating This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC) (edit)

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I have done my best to "clean up" this article and to remove obvious NPOV problems. (The man is obviusly a bastard, and it comes out clearly even when the article is re-written in the most objective way I could make it and without the emotional outbursts of the original writer). I think the tags can now be removed. Anybody care to comment on that? Adam keller 01:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Adam, i think you have done some great work, but much of this article's content is unreferenced speculation and/or commentary. (ie, too much "reasonable assumptions", "this means", etc.) Wikipedia should not have either but just deal with facts. I have put a whole lot of {{cn}} tags where I think in-line citations shoudl be provided, or info removed completely. Thus, depsite you improvements, i still think this article needs the tags. It is essentially an opinion peice, not an encyclopedic entry. I actually agree with much of what is written (Ie, I am no Prabowo fan!), but it is still only opinion and speculation in many places. --Merbabu 03:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

That is reasonable. I did locate in the Jakarta Riots of May 1998 article a specific source to one item which was originally unreferenced and copied it here, and will try to do more, but I think it needs very much work - much more than was needed to just tidy up the material which was there already.Adam keller 13:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I've posted this from a subpage of this article - it wasn't much use there. My posting here is not intended as endorsement or objection. Hope original poster doesn't mind...

This 'bio' reads like the worst form of Fleet-Street penny-dreadful propagandist leaflet. The amount of emotive non-referenced and highly speculative, not to mention outright libelous/slanderous commentary is shocking. I strongly argue the entire article be removed and the speculation and accusation placed into a new sub-category. At worst it reads as speculative provative slander, at best emotive politicised anecdotally-based character assassination. THis artlcle has little historical, social or academic merit. (Starstylers 04:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

regards --Merbabu 04:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

I've just rated this a start class article and "mid" importance (from "low", "mid", "high", or "top"). Any thoughts? --Merbabu 11:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potential Sources

Friend, T. (2003). Indonesian Destinies. Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-01137-6.  is a good book. A fair bit of Prabowo discussion. Also, the Asiaweek article listed in further reading is looooooooooong - must be something in there. --Merbabu 11:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)