Talk:Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar

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[edit] Merger

There are currently two pages on the same man. This page is longer, more detailed, and slightly less-POV than the other (although it still has problems), so the P.R. Sarkar page should be scrapped and made into a redirect to this page.

The other page has some information not included here. I will try to add the relevant information here (and ignore the irrelevant information--does it matter that he was born on a full moon?), but someone who knows more about Sarkar, Ananda Marga, or Indian gurus in general should probably review my attempts.

I tried to reorganize and rewrite as little as possible of what was already on this page, but was forced to make some changes to fit in the information from the other. Falcotron 06:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it matters so much that he was born on a full moon, but all biographies of Sarkar mentions this fact. As far as I know this must be an auspicious sign in Hindu astrology, however Sarkar never put any significance into astrology except for the dates of fasting which are related to the moon phases. cJ --Cracker jack 20:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It's a good idea to merge these two pages. Hopefully, the merged page is broadly agreed upon by those who take an interest in the life and ideas of this man. Ramayan 18:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for going over the two pages and fixing what I missed. Trying to integrate the two without destroying the organization of this page was harder than I expected.... Falcotron 04:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  • One more thing: The Disciples section. I left the paragraph on Ravi Batra out (even though it was from his page that I found these pages) because I thought it was more appropriate to list him under the Ananda Marga page instead. Also, it seems strange to have a section on Disciples listing only one disciple. It might at least be worth mentioning that Sarkar had other disciples, or possibly moving information on Kalikananda down here. Finally, does Batra consider himself a disciple? I remember him playing down the connection during the press about The Great Depression of 1990 after a few critics discounted Batra as a "follower of a murderous cult leader." Falcotron 04:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

At any rate, it looks like everything that was on the P.R. Sarkar page is now on this page, and I can't imagine anyone objecting to the merger, so I'm going to do it now. The last version of the other page is available at [[1]] (is there a way to wikilink history pages?), in case anything was missed. Falcotron 05:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

To list all Sarkar's diciples would be impossible, but a few notable ones should definitely be mentioned. Kalikananda is one of them (although his life is a mystery), but I would not suggest to remove the mentioning of him at the main Ananda Marga page, because I belive his initiation was the first step towards the formation of Ananda Marga, and the origin of Sarkar's affectionate name Baba. Other notable diciples would be Chandranath, and some of the other early followers (forgot their names), along with Subash Chandra Bose. There is also a rumour that one African president (I belive in Togo) was a diciple, but this needs to be confirmed. cJ --Cracker jack 20:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

A picture of P.R. Sarkar would be good. There is however only one official picture of him, and the rights of the picture belongs to Ananda Marga. I am not sure if usage of the picture would be allowed. Does anyone know? cJ --Cracker jack 21:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I too would like to see a picture of him! There are excuses of "fair use" or similar under copyright law and I also couldn't see AM really objecting to it anyway. Best thing is to simply ask them if you can use it and then use the letter or email of permission in the notes or comments attaching to the photo. IMO (In My Opinion) this would be more than sufficient. 122.148.173.37 (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop capitalizing pronouns

User 62.190.10.139 has twice come in and capitalized a slew of pronouns referring to Sarkar. Please stop.

I assume you're trying to show respect for Sarkar as a great holy man, which is fine--but this is not the right way to do it.

In English, pronouns are often capitalized for the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, and occasionally for other gods, but never for great leaders, heroes, prophets, or even angels. Moses, Gautama Buddha, Moroni, and Rama don't get capitalized pronouns, and neither does Sarkar.

Also, notice that disciples like Ravi Batra don't seem to feel any need to capitalize Sarkar's pronouns.

And even if it were appropriate to do this, it would not be appropriate to do so inconsistently. Falcotron 20:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polymath?

Should he be included in the list of polymaths? Andries 11:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, he definitely fits the description of a modern "renaissance man" as well as "know-it-all" Zhandorr the Magnificent 18:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Social cycle theory (Sarker)

There are no google hits for "social cycle theory" and Sarkar. This has been prodded as possible hoax/OR; please comment and if it this is a real theory, please provide correct name.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  02:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

  • This is incorrect. There are plenty of hits of Sarkar's "social cycle theory" relating to Sarkar. Try the follwing search string "social cycle theory" & "sarkar". Please note "Sarker" is an incorrect spelling of Sarkar. In the Talk page of the present "Social cycle theory" the following was written:
    • Wrong title for this article. The term [[Social Cycle Theory]] was first used in relation to [[The Law of the Social Cycle]] invented by P.R. Sarkar in his book Human Society, Vol. 2 published by Ananda Marga Press in Calcutta, India in the late 1950s. The term 'Social Cycle Theory' became popularised as the term for this law in other works in India and later in the West, including in the #1 New York Times best seller The Great Depression of 1990 by Ravi Batra published by Simon and Schuster in 1987. The SCT term was earlier introduced by Batra in his less well known book The Downfall of Capitalism and Communism: a New Study of History, published by MacMillan in 1976. The use of this term as a description of this article is therefore wrong and likely illegal. The term [[Sociological Cycle Theory]] could be used for this entry.
    • The issue concerns the right to the use of this title. It has been used in copyrighted works for many decades. The use of this name for other theories is not as per academic standard and should be discontinued. Please do the honorable thing and make the change in the title of the offending page, as earlier suggested, and then this mess can be cleared up. Budfin 11:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Plenty? 18 Google hits for "social cycle theory" +sarkar -wiki -wikipedia. No Google Print hits. Perhaps this could be merged into this article, but it doesn't seem notable by itself; certainly not as his PROUT theory which gets 1800 hits on a similar search.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  16:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SELFPUB?

This article may have been written from an autobiographical perspective. —Whig (talk) 06:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotations

Namaskar

Would be nice to put some quotas of P.R.Sarkar into wikiquota.

polish example (just the beginig) http://pl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prabhat_Ranjan_Sarkar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.14.243.170 (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)