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The information in this article has been gathered through several years of interactions with many experienced FLPHG builders and pilots of various nationalities and skill level and, by direct contribution by some of these pilots.

Updating, grammatical and technical editing is highly encouraged in order to improve the quality and accuracy of this article. In case that an event, technique, concept, etc. needs to be clarified, it is hoped that this "discussion" section becomes a welcoming and useful forum to all interested editors.

Gerry F. BatteryIncluded 07:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Weight regarding progress

Proper weight for aviation's and hang gliding's having the Spratt control system is key. Dickenson arrived at a point where his results incorporated that which was already gifted to hang gliding and aviation by at least 1929's George A. Spratt. Engineers knew this matter. Also the efficiencies that were reached by Charles Richard in the wing involved ....foldability, shape, artistic line, aerodynamics, dacron, scallopped sail, battens, etc. were already achived by the Paresev 1B; so such reality ought not be forgotten or displaced by anyone. Unawareness by a Dickenson tinkerer should not be rewarded with global innovation credit. Care to face this matter is needed because there is a strong worker who has been pushing a story of hang gliding that would overlook so very much just to get Dickenson big noted; such point-of-view goes against Wiki directives. A-frame for hang gliders, trikes, and ultralights is an article that may lead to a balanced weight. Joefaust (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that progress is the key when figuring the history of hang gliders. However, Sppratt's triangular frame invention had no relevance beyond his village and had no effect, influence or PROGRESS on the sport of hang gliding. In comparison, John Dickenson's adaptation of the already existing Rogallo wing to a water ski kite had frame had enormous a world-wide impact on the sport. The point that I am making is that one must differenciate between giving the credit of invention and that of its successful application. I have no problem giving recognition to each. Beware of loosing neutrality.BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Distance correction

The strait of Bosporus is more than 700 meters wide, so the glide ratio should be corrected: >10! But I don't know how high over the sea that tower is. OlavN 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello OlavN. The Galata Tower is 66 m (183 ft). A map shows the opposite shore is about 500 meters away. Please verify distance at this point of the straight. (I find it difficult to believe any rudimentary glider could have such glide ratio, especially without thermals. Cheers BatteryIncluded 20:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Redaction

I paste below the valuable feedback given on this article as requested by me. BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)



Thanks, BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments:' An interesting article, nicely illustrated and obviously has had a lot of work done on it. It needs some work to get ready for WP:FAC and to pass that and become FA. here are some suggestions:

The lead needs to be a summary of the whole article and not contain anything that is not also in the text. I try to mention every sction heading in the lead in some way, even if it is only a word or phrase. See WP:LEAD While this is very well illustrated, there are some image issues that will need to be addressed for FAC: Per the WP:MOS, all images should be set as thumb size to allow reader preferences to set the image size. Some of the images are so close together that there are white spaces - it might be better to prune some and/or consider right / left image placement. Looking at a few images on Commons, there is sparse licensing and source information - who made these images? It is generally a good idea to have a model article to follow for ideas, structure, etc. There are several aircraft FAs (Boeing 747, several warplanes) that may offer ideas. Much of the article is unsourced - to get to FA there will need to be at least one reference per paragraph and a ref for any quote, statistic or extraordinary claim. See WP:CITE For example here are two sentences: The reaction of most pilots would be to say that powered microlights (ultralights) developed from hang gliding in the late 1970s, but it was not that simple. In fact, microlights are a rebirth, a return to the love of low-speed flight which the earliest aviators felt so keenly, but which was subsequently lost in the quest for military superiority.[5] - unless you can cite specific pilots who have this reaction, or have quotes that cite this love of low-speed flight, etc. this is problematic. There is a reference here, i.e. [5], but it is an uncited statement about the history of flight. Without references from reliable sources, it can be hard to tell what is not original research The article needs to meet WP:NPOV and maintain a neutral point of view. Much of the quote above shows POV. It also needs to be written so as to avoid "peacock words" - see WP:PEACOCK. Although it does a decent job of avoiding jargon in most places, it has to do so throughout the article, see WP:JARGON. See also WP:PRC on providing context. It may benefit from being split into several subarticles, see WP:Summary style Hope this helps - while there is a lot of information here, it needs a lot work and polish to get to FA. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


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