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[edit] Note

Do not add anything that we do not know from the history of Power Rangers as a TV show or outside of reliable sources such as the trademarks or the photos from the licensing show. We do not know anything about characters, Zords, monsters, villains, allies, or the motif as of this writing.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect note

Please leave these redirects alone until the show premieres.

These redirects were created for the purpose of keeping people from making speculative articles. After the show premieres, then feel free to add information to the above redirects, but until then, they should be left alone. Mythdon (talk) 01:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rangers

All right, based on the source footage in Gekiranger, there are three Rangers, with an extra fourth, violet hero in Power Rangers: Jungle Fury. These are as follows: Jake Lee Dunn, the Red Jungle Fury Ranger; Montgomery Carver, the Blue Jungle Fury Ranger; Jacqueline "Jackie" Kennedy, the Yellow Jungle Fury Ranger; and Steve Chase, the Violet Jungle Fury Ranger (unofficial).

Well, this is not likely, since this is an unconfirmed info or speculation, we have to wait until the official cast comes out. Bryan Seecrets 08:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Those names are not in anyway similar to other rumors. There's a script uploaded by Poweranimals at RangerBoard that uses Theo and Lily. We're not going to be using any rumors anyway.—Řÿūłóñģ (竜龍) 08:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Other than Theo and Lily, what of the Blue Ranger? He should be Jake Lee Dunn or Montgomery Carver? I think not. Bryan Seecrets 09:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
We need something more than rumors. And we cannot add information based solely on Gekiranger until we get a trailer or something.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I suppose Theo and Lily are the names used in a script uploaded by Poweranimals at RangerBoard. As for the cast, I think Harriet Owen is likely to be one of the candidates of playing Lily, the Yellow Jungle Fury Ranger. --Bryan Seecrets 05:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Whatever. That information cannot be put on this article until we have proof.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not, Ryu? You say this every year that we cannot use licensing show, etc as a source yet its always right. I see if it was the episodes, the Thrax rumor or something.199.80.117.25 14:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

the ranger names are most likely Lily, Theo and Casey. Casey-Red, Lily-Yellow and Theo-Blue.199.80.117.25 14:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it generally turns out to be right (with the recent exception of Nick, who had his first name changed from Nate between casting calls and filming), but you can't put information up on Wikipedia unless you can properly cite it, and that's not going to happen unless these casting scripts uploaded by Poweranimals/MR-AfterShock/whoever each year were physically on Disney's own website for us to link, or the website of affiliated acting agencies. And I guarantee you that won't ever happen, due to non-disclosure agreements (that are technically broken in order for the fandom to get scripts). Arrowned 16:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Cast

Two cast members have been revealed: Marnie Paxton and Matt Biederman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.25.128 (talk • contribs)

Assuming that's true, that does us no good unless you cite it with an acting agency link in the article. Arrowned 20:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be the cast. http://rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=108959 199.80.117.25 14:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Posts on Rangerboard cannot be taken wholy as official.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 17:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

From imdb.com, it seems like Alin Abella is filming Power Rangers: Jungle Fury, and it's stated that he's Theo, blue jaguar ranger. http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0008545/

Also, Jason Smith as Casey - Red Tiger Ranger (2008) http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1321788/

Same goes for Bede Skinner, as Jared http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1881843/

Anna Hutchison as Lily - Yellow Cheetah Ranger http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1161263/

Holly Shanahan as Camille http://us.imdb.com/name/nm2183646/

--Monstez 05:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

None of this is confirmed from outside of IMDB, which is also a user-generated content website.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Although nearly every Power Rangers fan knows this information, it can't be added to the page until Disney confirms this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.88.43 (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

We can add Anna there is video proof of her being in Jungle Fury casted as Lily http://youtube.com/watch?v=P7yQOj9V-lA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.120.108 (talk) 03:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't count as proof considering the promo doesn't give the actresses' name. "It looks like so-and-so" isn't a valid enough source statement. Arrowned (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Your source is insufficent. That actress on the Yellow Ranger promo may look like Anna Hutchinson, but what if the actress on the promo is not Anna. Judging by looks is wrong sometimes. Mythdon (talk) 05:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Then what about these pictures from the Red Ranger promo? http://www.junglefury.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=309 they look exactly like Jason Smith, so if it doesn't say its him on the picture its not him? Therefore if it doesn't say its Jason David Frank on the picture then its not Jason David Frank according to your logic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.120.108 (talk) (UTC)
You forget the part where all past seasons of PR have aired years past and all had actor credits in the first 60 seconds of the show, so we've known JDF was Tommy since he first appeared in 1993. That, for the most part, is exactly what we're going to have to wait for in this case: for JF to actually start airing so we can flat out see actor credits on the TV. Arrowned (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final Season?

Samuel Benta revealed on his new "Rangercast" forum that the 2009 PR series may be animated if negotiations go ahead, effectivly making JF the final live-action season

http://www.rangercast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1852&posted=1#post1852

I wouldnt put this in the article at all presently, just throwing out that this exists. Dr. R.K.Z —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 05:19, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

There is no source backing this up. Benta is not a reliable source--why would he be privy to stuff like this?--Aresef 17:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hard to say, he hasnt had a very calm relationship with Rangerboard, some think he's rustling feathers up as payback. Dr. R.K.Z —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:49, August 24, 2007 (UTC).

He also posted that on Rangercast, where he's a moderator.CrystallixRed 20:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)CrystallixRed

We can't take anyone's word as truth. Until Disney releases something to the effect of "Power Rangers will be animated from 2009 on" then it's all speculation, and it has no bearing on the content of this article at the time being.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that we should wait for what Super Sentai has planned first, and then have a debate about this. Will Kinsella @ 1929hrs UK Time 20/09/2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.181.10 (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone considered that Samuel was pulling the fandom's colective legs? The director of Back to the Future once said in an interview that hoverboards were real. 70.107.51.170 15:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Poweranimals has confirmed that the animated series is coming. I know it's certainly not enough to add the information to the article now, but it probably means that we'll be adding it in the future. Mixed feelings abound. Rmssw (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

PA is about as reliable as Dukemon. Both have shady sources that Wikipedia can't use.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Well maybe this is true Ryulong. But i agree with you. We cannot use these sources until Disney has confirmed this information. Mythdon (talk) 06:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Soon to Come ~.~

Poweranimals at Rangerboard (the person who revealed James was the Overdrive Red Ranger last year) has released info on one of the cast members for JF, possibly the Yellow Ranger, Anna Hutchison.

Rangerboard Post: http://rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=110240

Modeling Agency Page: http://www.johnsonlaird.com/bios/search_actors.aspx?clientid=25&clientname=Anna+Hutchinson&division=actor&action=1&dom=johnsonlaird#

She played a supporting role in the Disney Channel Original Movie (DCOM) Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior as one of Wendy's friends. Not saying this should be added, just putting this here for this reason.

DO NOT ADD HER UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED BY SOMEONE OTHER THEN A FORUM MEMBER

In other words.... If a Modeling Company such as the one I just posted, as Caitlin, James, AND Ria were confirmed by that same company last year, or an official disney source has not confirmed that they are to be in Jungle Fury, DO NOT ADD THEM TO THE PAGE.

Sorry, I just remember last year... So much vandalism to the OO page with cast members it's not funny :/ Myzou 23:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Until the show comes on Anna Hutchinson is nothing more than a someone you might meet at the supermarket. What if I said Barry Vincent wore red? And even so. If someone posted Anna her article would be deleted since there is no verification. The Technodrome's Toilet 06:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Read what I said =P I was saying she shouldn't be added LOL Myzou 04:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Adam?

I keep seeing people edit this page saying that Adam will be in Jungle Fury, I don't think this is true, any evidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not. The rumor originated from one of those forum threads you tend to see often about "Wouldn't it be awesome if so-and-so came back?" and snowballed from there. If anyone tries to add that to the article, feel free to trash it immediately. Arrowned 21:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Sadly, I started it accidently, by mentioning in the Once a Ranger thread at Rangerboard that why would they mention he just opened a Dojo and coincidently, the next season is martial arts related... And people kinda misinterpreted that, and the rumor started -.- Myzou 06:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Somebody, please have this and every page related to Jungle Fury put on lockdown. I'm getting rather tired of removing all of this rumor and speculation (I have used plenty of IP adresses to edit). Crboyer 19:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

We'd only be able to lock it a month at a time or so, and honestly, PR pages don't get that much vandalism except for the main article; nothing on the order of, say, George W. Bush used to get. Also, JF isn't getting that much vandalism right this moment even compared to other PR articles; maybe a rate of one person screwing something up every few days. I do agree that semi-locking is useful, but we can probably get by fine without it until it's closer to the premiere, at which point we'd have to deal with more vandalism anyways.
But if you all honestly decide it's necessary right this second, I'm fine with that. Arrowned 22:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the rumor started on dA when someone posted a deviation called Adam the Purple Ranger. It was a Photomanip of JBY's head onto a Promo Pic of GekiViolet. Mack-the-random 00:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I think whoever mentioned Adam was getting confused with Operation Overdrive's Once a Ranger! Digifiend (talk) 11:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Green Elephant Ranger, Black Bat Ranger, and Light Blue Shark Ranger?

http://www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=110409

I know there will be a Red Tiger Ranger, Yellow Cheetah Ranger, Blue Jaguar Ranger, Purple Wolf Ranger, and White Rhino Ranger, but where the heck did those other guys pop out of!!!!! 24.184.10.38 21:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Every year, Bandai makes toys of extra Ranger colors that never appear in the show. This is nothing new; the only difference here (and the reason why people are substantiating the "in the show" rumor) is because this is the first time Bandai didn't just repaint the Red Ranger toy to make the rest of the knockoffs. Arrowned 21:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I understand. 24.184.10.38 19:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
These aren't just extra ranger color toyline nonsense. The Gekirangers mastered other beast fists than there ranger animal designation (aka:Shark & Gorilla for Red(tiger) ranger, Elephant & Penguin for Yellow(cheetah) ranger; and Batz & Gazelle for Blue(jaguar) ranger)71.166.67.68 (talk) 22:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
And? That still doesn't prove anything about whether this rumor is true or not, and we can't mention it in the article until said proof appears, if it exists. Said proof, in this case, would probably be the show itself at this point. Arrowned (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not trying to prove anything. I just don't want good information to be dismissed as nonsense that's all.71.166.5.39 (talk) 17:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
And I wasn't saying it's nonsense. I'm just making it clear why it can't be mentioned in the article. Arrowned (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
What is in the Power Rangers toy line for any particular series is not a definitive description of what is going to be in the Power Rangers television show for that series. However many Battlizers, Transarmors, Zords, Megazords, Evil Space Aliens, et al. there are for the toys does not mean that they are going to be in the TV show. It was odd that the Red Ranger's Transtek Armor actually showed up in the show in Operation Overdrive (however one of the other male Power Rangers always gets some sort of bike, so if anything, the Blue Ranger will be getting a Jaguar-themed motorcycle). However, we cannot be totally sure about anything until the shoe actually premieres.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 17:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Until the shoe premieres?! Don't you mean until the show premieres? --Scouser1961 (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Are we the typo police?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order of the claw

They just ran the promo on toon disney (I'm rewatching it on my PVR), it brings up "Order of the claw". Isn't that enough?Metropod 01:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's enough, but not for a character section heading; all of the season articles use the same layout (Characters top heading, Allies/Villains subheadings). Mentioning Order of the Claw would be better in some type of synopsis, not in the character area. Arrowned 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The PRJF logo?

Why hasn't the logo been up yet? It's been shown on TV now. Poweranimals 01:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Because no one has uploaded a version that has a decent copyright rationale attached to it and its proper source.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Poweranimals 01:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about Ryu? Did you not see it or the toys?199.80.117.25 21:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I know where he's coming from. Whilst anyone knows the logo is legit, Wikipedia has this butthurt policy about "copyrighted images", you cant just load up an official image, you have to cite where you found it and if you had permission. Dr. R.K.Z 01:34 AM 16th November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 01:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

While you don't necessarily need to have permission (almost nobody ever has permission when uploading video game box covers), you do need to detail an appropriate fair use rationale for non-free images, and yes, you need to link where you found it on the image's page. It's not a difficult process at all, but it does need to be done for any image on Wikipedia that's not under GNU. Arrowned 05:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Damn, oh well ok.-- 199.80.117.25 (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Toyline and Names

The toys have been coming out in retail and people have bought them. The toyline is usually considered a good source, second only to the show itself. From people who have bought the toys and have seen the packages with their own eyes, we know that the villain is, in fact, Dai Shi, not Dai Shin (I never heard the 'n' in the preview anyway...) and we know GekiTouja is called the Jungle Pride Megazord. Other information should be left out for now since its inclusion on the show is questionable, but the name of the villain and the Megazord are undeniably going to be part of the show and I feel they should corrected/added. Rmssw (talk) 04:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Toys are never a good base for renaming things. The Dai Shi thing is best, but "Jungle Pride Megazord" should be left out until the show and stuff.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast

Lily - Lily is played by Anna Hutchison, her previous work includes Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior , and Shortland Street.

Casey - Casey is played by Jason Smith, his previous work includes Home And Away.

Theo - Theo is played by Alin Abella, who has had no professional acting in the past whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapadfeys (talk • contribs) 02:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

We pretty much already know that. If you're asking why none of that information is in the actual article, see WP:V. Arrowned (talk) 05:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

How's about we have a section within the Power Rangers: Jungle Fury page called Confirmed Details and Unconfirmed details, like Wikipedia did for Power Rangers: Operation Overdrive last year.--Scouser1961 (talk) 09:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The Unconfirmed Details section from last year just had character name notes from casting scripts, and even then, the "color theorizing" broke WP rules. That's not an issue now since we know the names and colors of the starting three, but regardless, information about actors rumored to be portraying characters aren't even as citable as casting script info, and clearly couldn't go in the article either way. Arrowned (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

They now have the cast up on theInternet Movie Database for the Red, Blue, Yellow and Violet Rangers respectively as well as a few allies and/or villians, if it's used as reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.88.43 (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

IMDB and TV.com cannot be used as references because, like Wikipedia, the info in their databases are user-submitted. To properly pass WP:V, all information added to this article needs to be from primary or secondary sources, such as Disney websites, Disney press releases, acting agency websites, TVGuide.com in the case of episode titles and airdates, or the episodes themselves in the case of plot details. Fansites and fanforums can only be used as sources if the information cited was said by someone on the show's staff, and even then, that's hard to absolutely prove for the purposes of an encyclopedia, considering how easy it is for people on the Net to pretend to be others. Arrowned (talk) 21:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

that stinks.74.241.247.172 (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Not it does not stink. People cannot just add random speculation on Wikipedia, do you understand. The user you replied to is right, you cannot add speculative items on the Wikipedia articles. We are not trying to be mean, but thats the way it is.--Mythdon (talk) 00:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode title rumors

I know this would be rejected right now, but there are rumors of the episodes titles.

  1. Welcome to the Jungle, Part 1
  2. Welcome to the Jungle, Part 2
  3. Sigh of the Tiger

Just so you know, these are just rumors and we should wait until the names are officially revealed by Disney. Mythdon (talk) 00:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The release date of Power Rangers Jungle Fury is February 25, 2008 according to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1121628/. This release date should not be added until it is confirmed by official sources like Disney or to a lesser extent TV Guide (if relying on the first episodes airdate). Mythdon (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
For the record, they set that as the release date because, when I was submitting Jungle Fury to be added to IMDb, I mentioned that the season is confirmed to start in February and always airs on Mondays, and they played it safe by listing the last relevant Monday in the month as the start date, knowing that it could begin weeks earlier. So, basically, it's a guess on their part, not even an attempt to actually say that's the real date. Arrowned (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Why did you mention it would start on a Mondays, even though it is not confirmed?. Mythdon (talk) 08:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
IMDb does not have as strict guidelines. Also, all other series air on Monday.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
So what about guidelines. If its not sure if its true, forget it. Also not all other series air new episodes on Mondays, and Monday has only been the episode premiere date since PRSPD so lets not assume Monday is the premiere. Mythdon (talk) 09:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Do recall that I was talking about information I submitted to IMDb, not to Wikipedia. I not once suggested that ANY date should be placed here before the information goes live at tvguide.com. Arrowned (talk) 14:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I did not say you suggested that any date should be placed here. I was just saying you should not have mentioned on IMDB that it always airs on Mondays because thats only been true since S.P.D. (2005). Mythdon (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
...if you want to argue my decision to submit (relatively legit) assumptions to IMDb (who allows assumptions), then do so on my personal Talk Page. It doesn't really have anything to do with improving this article, so this isn't the place to discuss it. Arrowned (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The following sources are where i got the episode title rumors from. Im not saying they should be added just yet.

Those are the sources i got them from. Mythdon (talk) 23:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

according to http://junglefury.net/episodes/. Here is the episode list so far

  1. Welcome to the Jungle, Part 1
  2. Welcome to the Jungle, Part 2
  3. Sigh of the Tiger
  4. A Taste of Poison

Also tv.com has the first episode of PRJF on their site and the air date says February 18, 2007. Here is the link for proof. http://www.tv.com/power-rangers/welcome-to-the-jungle-1/episode/1164636/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;0 . Mythdon (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as our general tactics for PR seasons go, we usually consider BurgundyRanger's site, as well as forum posts by he and KyL416 at Rangerboard or Fuñaroboard, as the most legit sources of schedule info, since both of them are in the industry. While Wikipedia's rules don't allow us to visually use anything from either of them at the moment, now is the point when we can start an episode table in commented code, hidden from viewers until the episode titles show up at tvguide.com as well.
However, whoever starts that table can only add in WttJ I and II right now, because those are the only two episodes BurgundyRanger has revealed a name and date for. Those other two titles are probably guesses. Arrowned (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and added the table. The area it's in is cluttered right now, but that Confirmed Cast section won't be around for long anyways. Arrowned (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiousity, where does Wikipedias guidlines say you cannot use fansites as sources?. Mythdon (talk) 01:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Short answer: see my third comment in the Cast discussion just above this one. Long answer: read through WP:V. Arrowned (talk) 10:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

According to a promo, the series premieres on February 18, 2008, and i just went ahead and added that premiere date to this article. Mythdon (talk) 06:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Just one week and two days until the show premieres, and the episode titles still will not show up on TV Guide. How long does it take for episode titles to show up on TV Guide?. Mythdon (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

It comes and goes. I recall at least one time during OO where tvguide.com didn't add the next episode's title until two or three days prior to airing. I don't think they'd do that for the premiere, but still... ::shrugs:: Arrowned (talk) 02:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I assume that jetix.tv will release the premiere episode titles first, and thats very likely too. Mythdon (talk) 02:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive soon needed

This page looks like it should be archived this February as right now we are talking about information before the shows premiere date. I believe it should be archived in February so we can talk about after premiere stuff after if the page is archived in February. Mythdon (talk) 09:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of this page can be archived, yes, but there's a lot of discussions here that, while old, are still valid now. Specifically all the ones talking about fandom rumors and why they shouldn't be on the article. Keeping those obsolete discussions on the talk page for the time being may help keep rumors out of the article until we finally get a full cast list and episode titles. Arrowned (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I still think the whole page should be archived when the shows first episode airs so we can talk soley about stuff concerning after premiere stuff. And also because from what i tell the topics right now will be outdated and useless after the premiere. Mythdon (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Archiving is only really necessary for the oldest discussions that have no merits at the moment. Other than that, most of the discussions here could stay.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
They are necessary now. But after the first episode airs, most of the topics being discussed here (specifically fan based rumors) will have no reason being discussed because the real information will already be confirmed by early-late February. Mythdon (talk) 03:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Right. Then we can talk about archiving again in two months, since the discussion isn't necessary at the moment. Arrowned (talk) 03:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Now it is February 15, and just 3 days before the premiere. I think now is the time to talk about archiving. Mythdon (talk) 07:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

You are honestly the only one that cares. The discussions on this page could be helpful, despite being nearly a year old.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
At this time, they are helpful. When the series premieres, they should be archived, because the discussions on this page will prove less helpful, because we are talking about rumors such as about the cast, and bla bla bla. And what do you mean im honestly the only one that cares?. Mythdon (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
We won't know this until issues arise. Some talk pages never get archived.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages for articles play by different "rules" than most user talk pages. This page is only 35 KB, so it is not huge at all. What Arrowned said was a good idea; once time passes in a few weeks, archiving can occur. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Now that the series has premiered, lets discuss whether or not this page should be archived. Mythdon (talk) 02:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sypnosis section

I doubt this would be accepted but is it okay to add a sypnosis section or is that a DO NOT?. Mythdon (talk) 08:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Unless you know the story based on reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IMO....

I think we need to clear the page until the series premiers. The actors listed to have parts are superfluous and do not have descriptions for their characters. Removing superfluous text will leave us with....about 4 periods, as nothing is set in stone until the show premiers. Mack-the-random (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There are not many reliable sources that we can get information from, and your suggestion is nothing more than trying the remove information. Mythdon (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
We have plenty of information, The ranger names, their zord animals, their weapons, the evil villain, and a basic description, on top of 3 confirmed people, 3 "confirmed" (BR is never wrong, but not a "reliable" source, so we have to hide his info til an "official" source states it ~.~) and then there's also the 4 unconfirmed actors (including the rangers), from just as reliable sources as BR. Myzou (talk) 12:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Removing what little information is there in the first place would leave the page even more dull and boring than it already is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.239.105.199 (talk) 17:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Actors/Actresses

Anna H. Jason S Aljin A. are our cast members so go ahead and add them.

http://rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=114049 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.12.116 (talk) 01:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The actual press release would be nice, instead of a copy-paste from Burg.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Load it up guys. http://www.toondisneymedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=3115423&type=lead Violent-kun (talk) 03:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Should Fran, played by Sarah Thomson, be added to the allies?BCfromKY (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)BCfromKY

She showed up in the credits?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, she was in the opening credits on the same screen as RJBCfromKY (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)BCfromKY

Then she can be added to the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It has been added to the article but her name is misspelled. It is Thomson without the P. I double checked this on the credits. BCfromKY (talk) 01:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)BCfromKY

[edit] Rhino Ranger

The Press release at http://www.toondisneymedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=3115423&type=lead Says that Nikolai Nikolaeff Will be playing Dominic Hargan, who will become the (White) Rhino Ranger - Can that be added? 81.149.182.210 (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

We have hidden notes in the article explaining our stance, but so there's an explanation here: Nikolai Nikolaeff is credited near the bottom, but we're not adding any text about how he and R.J. will become Rangers. While WP:SPOILER and WP:Content disclaimer make it clear that we're not supposed to avoid spoilers for the sake of spoiling, things have changed between the press release and the actual airing of the show in the past. Until we know specific details, it's best that the article follow the progression of the show and update as individual important things happen. Arrowned (talk) 21:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
That's all well and good, but with no edit button, there's no way to see that. Shouldn't there be a banner or something explaining what kind of block, why, and how long at the top of the page? 81.149.182.210 (talk) 22:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
This very conversation will serve well enough for the purpose of letting people know why we're going that route, now that I've explained it here. As for the block, the reason behind that is simple: it's an effort to prevent vandalism. Arrowned (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I understand that, and have no problem with that, but I thought standard practise when a page is blocked to add a banner template at the top describing the kind of block, the reason, and (if applicable) the duration. For example; Sea of Japan 81.149.182.210 (talk) 00:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a lock in the upper right hand corner of the page that does the same thing. In the next few days, this page will be unblocked.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking maybe we could have a spoiler in the Rangers section (e.g. Dominic Hargen will be the White Ranger who will control the Rhino spirit. He will be portrayed by Nikolai Nikolaeff). This is only a suggestion as it was done with Tyzonn last year.--80.195.88.43 (talk) 15:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Morphers

Shouldn't the Power Morpher page be updated. Right now it lists an unspecified morpher based off the gekichanger which is nothing like the solar morphers.71.166.76.254 (talk) 23:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't even know that article existed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
And on that note, I wonder why it exists, since at first glance, all the information in it is near identical to what's already listed on every season front page, with maybe a tiny bit of descriptive extensions. Arrowned (talk) 23:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
And the fact the jungle fury section has now been shown to be wrong.Metropod (talk) 01:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] All subpages deleted

I have had to delete the following pages because they were all direct copy-pastes from Linear Ranger's website, and as such, have been copyright violations.

The content of these articles need to be rewritten from scratch.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Its horrible to hear that. Ohh well, cannot blame you for deleting the articles. It was copyright violation anyway. Mythdon (talk) 07:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I created the Zords article. It's the first page I've made from scratch. Hopefully it's satisfactory. Rmssw (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

So what. Mythdon (talk) 01:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
So I felt it was relavent to state since the status of these pages is being discussed. Is that alright with you? Rmssw (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
We are perfectly fine with the fact the page was created, and there is nothing wrong with creating those type of pages, and there is also nothing wrong with re-creating these deleted pages. Mythdon (talk) 03:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pai Zhua, not Pai Zhuq

I believe the Show Description link made an error in transliterating the name of the kung fu academy, after watching the first episode.

The proper spelling should be Pai Zhua, which I suggest was a typo for two reasons. The obvious is that Q and A are near each other on the keyboard, and the word could not be spell checked in English.

The show is using Mandarin pinyin to convey names. In proper pinyin, the words "pai" and "zhua" are pronounced similar to "Pie + Shwa", which is the show's pronunciation of the school.

The following characters also convey a rough metaphor for the English name of the school, the Order of the Claw.

排 pai - line up/line/row 抓 zhua - scratch, the character is of a hand with fingers formed like a claw

http://zhongwen.com/

If "Pai Zhuq" were to be true, the name would not only have no contextual metaphor, but it would be pronounced something like "Pai Shook," and there is no -q ending in pinyin, Wade-Giles, or any other romanization of Mandarin.

AtenRa (talk) 12:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jungle Bo

Since Fractyl seems determined to state that the Jungle Bo is an alternate form of the Tonfa, I guess it warrants an actual discussion. Lily calls on her weapon and two pieces appear. She combines them to make the Bo. While it is clear that the two peices of the Bo appear to be Tonfa, they are never stated to be Tonfa, nor are they implied in any way to be intended to be used as Tonfa. The only thing they are stated and shown to be are pieces of her Bo. Perhaps that will change in future episodes, but based only on the premier episode, saying they are Tonfa is speculation and cannot be added to the article. Rmssw (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Well to start, if you use the Gekiranger footage for a start, the "two weapons" are one and the same, only with two "perfered modes" depending on the user. Also, the fact that the even the toy version shows that. Now if the two weapon profiles can't be combined, the Jungle Bo should be refered as an alternate form of the Jungle Tonfa. Fractyl (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The fact remains that we've yet to see any of that on Power Rangers. Gekiranger footage doesn't matter. Until we're told on the show itself that the weapons are one in the same, the article can't say that they are. Even if it does happen on the show (which it very well may), since the two modes are treated as two different weapons on the show, adding the information wouldn't be entirely necessary anyway...but if that happens, I will personally edit the section myself. Rmssw (talk) 04:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I just want to quickly point out that we have, in the past (specifically during OO), used the toyline as sourcing when nothing was available in the show. So if he's right in that the toyline does indeed claim they're two modes of the same weapon (and I'd need to see picture proof, or perhaps I'll just run down to the local Target on Monday to check for myself), it'd be okay then, at least until the show says differently (which actually did happen in that same OO example). Arrowned (talk) 04:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Does this help Arrowned Fractyl (talk) 04:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
First off, MUCH easier (and less messy) to use (:) instead of (*) to start ur paragraphs ;) Secondly, in the opening, it is QUITE clear that the 2 pieces she puts together are tonfa, due to the close up of her combining them. 70.231.237.107 (talk) 14:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
No one is arguing that the Sentai footage of her making her Bo shows her putting the Tonfa together. The debate is over whether or not they're supposed to be Tonfa in Power Rangers and whether or not they're the same Tonfa used by Theo. Nothing from the first episode indicated that they are. We simply saw Lily calling her weapon, two pieces appearing, and her combining them. This is just another issue involving things being fact in Sentai and being ambiguous in Power Rangers. Rmssw (talk) 15:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

There's a shot in the opening showing Theo and Lily both using their weapons at the same time, so we know they're not the same Tonfa. The question is still whether or not Lily's are ever meant to be used as Tonfa. Rmssw (talk) 01:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's because the Tonfa are team weapons. However as stated, the weapons have two-mode settings. It's no different to the Blade Blasters of MMPR. The only difference is that Theo is used to using tonfa in battle, while Lily prefers using the bo. So they have the same sidearm-weapon, they just prefer the different modes. In other words, Lily could use the tonfa mode, but she rather use the bo mode instead.Fractyl (talk) 03:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I know this. However, it has still yet to be stated on the show that Lily's weapons are Tonfa at all. That fact is from Sentai, not Power Rangers. From what we've been shown on Power Rangers, each Ranger was specifically assigned their weapon. Therefore, Lily's weapons would never be used in any form other than the Bo. In the interest of streamlining the article, it's probably best to leave the section as-is rather than to add irrelavent information about how, technically, her Bo consists of the Tonfa when they will most likely never be used as such. Rmssw (talk) 03:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jungle Fury Power Rangers created

Just so you all know, i have just recreated the Jungle Fury Power Rangers article. Mythdon (talk) 21:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Jungle Fury Power Rangers should stop being redirected over and over again because that article has only started, and needs time to build up.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mythdon (talk • contribs)

Right now, we don't have enough information in either place to start up an article on any of them just yet. As the show continues, there will be enough information for their own article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I believe the page should be started now, not to mention, there is already a Villains in Power Rangers: Jungle Fury. Mythdon (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I fear that we are getting nowhere. Fifteen episodes and so far the profiles have remained unchanged for four months; last year for the PROO Rangers, we had quite a lot of info for each of the Rangers, so why is this seriesan exception? --80.195.88.43 (talk) 13:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
We've had issues concerning copyright violations for the entire period of time.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Potential WP:NOV and WP:Spoiler violation.

I noticed that RJ and Dominic's future Ranger status is not mentioned in the article, so upon going to edit it, I saw the following note:

<!-- While the press release does indeed mention that R.J. and Dominic will eventually become the Wolf and Rhino Rangers, it's probably best this article follow the progression of the show. As such, R.J. will stay here under Allies until he actually receives his powers, and Dominic won't be added specifically to these character listings until he actually appears in the show. -->

I know we've had our differences regarding the colors table, but comparred to this it's relatively minor. This article references the exact press release that mentions this information, yet the editors have made a conscious decision to ignore it's inclusion. You cannot pick and choose elements from a reference. That is a pretty big stab against WP:NPOV.

"Neutral point of view is a core policy of Wikipedia, mandatory, non-negotiable, and to be followed in all articles. Concerns related to undue weight, non-neutral fact selection and wording, and advancing a personal view, are not addressed even slightly by asserting that the matter is verifiable and cited.

If as a consensus you have decided the Press Release is verifiable, you cannot then refuse other editors from including other information presented in the same press release. This goes against the very concept of verfication. I've included the information as worded from the press release, which takes the stance as it will happen. Not that it has. When they actually become Rangers, then yes...they can be added to the appropriate section. TRTX (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

We can state that they will become Rangers per the information in the press release, but until they actually appear in the show, then they stay in their respective sections for the time being. You seem to only be interested in making sure that whatever information exists is stated on Wikipedia. Why is that?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, NPOV does not really cover this area. It does not say "put in all information." It says "do not only show one side of an argument."—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there something wrong with making sure the article is up to date and accurate? And as far as NPOV is concerned, I bolded the section in question. "Non-neutral fact selection". TRTX (talk) 23:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, NPOV only concerns biases. And the article is up to date and accurate. Just because it did not say "RJ and Dominic will become Power Rangers" does not mean it is not accurate.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, I'm referring directly to the comment I quoted above. And NPOV is cited in regards to WP:Spoiler as quoted:
"It is not acceptable to delete information from an article about a work of fiction because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality (for example, Wikipedia:Lead section)."
The only interpretation I could grasp in regards to "We are waiting to include it" was that you didn't want to add somethign simply because it hadn't happened in the show...regardless of the fact it was already confirmed via press release. I linked various policies together to form my basis for the inclusion of the information. I have no issue with not calling RJ a Ranger since it has not happened yet, but to request that any mention of it be left out is a completely seperate issue. That's where I pulled the quote from NPOV regarding selective use of facts from a reference. TRTX (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, the information is in the article now.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shark, Bat and Elephant zords

I haven't read anything on the other 20+ Subjects, but should we at least inculde the info on the secondary Zords since they are in the beginning.--Numyht (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

We have no knowledge of how the other Zords are being included in Jungle Fury as of yet. It won't be very long until the Elephant Zord is introduced, if the progression of the series mirrors its source footage.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Would it be accetable to include that a Elephant, Bat, and Shark Zord are featured in the opening sequence? TRTX (talk) 05:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm personally not certain.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest we wait until those zords appear in the show, as including them in the article right now would be original research anyway. Mythdon (talk) 08:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RJ as wolf Ranger

The article said RJ where be the Wolf Ranger later in the series. Where did anybody get that info, or is it just speculation? FiercedeitylinkX —Preceding comment was added at 17:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

There is no fact to it at all. Nor is the info about the "Rhino Ranger" Rick lay95 (talk) 17:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)rick_lay95
Clearly both of you missed the citation immediately after both those lines leading to the press release provided by Disney themselves which does in fact list those as facts. Arrowned (talk) 17:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] ABC Kids

I would like people to stop mentioning the fact ABC Kids airs this show, unless somebody gives me a link. Mythdon (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Airs this Saturday on ABC stations.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uh...

Did someone break the page? O.o all the stuff under episodes isn't showing up for me :3 Myzou (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The three auxillary rangers

[1] Rangerboard and a couple other sentai/power ranger message boards revealed the the Elephant, Shark, and Bat rangers will appear in the show..is it okay to mention them in the article, or would it be better to wait until they actually show up in the show? SilverBengal (talk) 16:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Since the picture itself is relatively legit (we had only a picture scan as proof for Thrax's return for some time), I'd say yes, but first I want a translation of that page so that we know exactly what aspect they'll appear in. Otherwise, we have nothing to actually say about it. Arrowned (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Right, we need more evidence first, and then we can consider this official; then again, it was this time last year that Adam, Tori, Kira, Bridge and Xander were confirmed to be in the 15th Anniversary episode "Once a Ranger" although the episode title was not.--80.195.88.43 (talk) 15:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but that was confirmed via a leaked pic showing all 5 of them on the set of power rangers together =P A scan of the actual suits of the aux. rangers doesn't really confirm it, it came out around april, may have been a late april fools joke ;) Myzou (talk) 22:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[2] A news bulletin from a Jungle Fury website lists the three rangers as Spirit Rangers who are the enemies of the Power Rangers Qilinmon (talk) 05:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Linear Ranger's website cannot be taken as a reliable source.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[3] Found this preview pic, can we at least mention that there will be a Green, Cyan, and Black Ranger, like we have Dominic listed as the new White Rhino Ranger even tho he hasn't appeared on the show yet? Qilinmon (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Because we have the original press release that mentions that such a character will appear in the show. The Bat, Shark, and Elephant Rangers don't have that distinction yet.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[4] Promotional Image showing the Green, Black, and Cyan Rangers standing besides the Jungle Fury Rangers, and showing RJ and Dominic in unmorphed uniforms. Can we make mention of the three aux rangers now? Qilinmon (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

When they appear in the show or in a press release.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Writers Strike

No mention of it on this article, but the list of programmes affected by the strike includes Power Rangers. Digifiend (talk) 11:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how it dose effect Power Rangers? Can you cite how it is? Rick lay95 (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)rick_lay95
It would be difficult to. We as a fanbase know it's the truth, but you can't put "invidivual writers from episode 16 on are anagrams for strike related terms" when there's no real citation other than fanforums to back it up; it's original research right now, no matter how true it is. Arrowned (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] episodes not listed

why are these episode names not listed along with there date that they will air?

18.True Friends, True Spirits Premiering On June 30, 2008

19. Path of the Rhino Premiering On July 7, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inferno17 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Everything up to episode 21 is in the page's code, but episodes not yet listed at secondary sources, such as tvguide.com or the Jetix schedule at tvlistings.zap2it.com, are hidden from public view. KyL416 and BurgundyRanger have proven themselves to be very reliable as far as future episode titles go, but that's not enough to pass WP:V. Arrowned (talk) 21:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)