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I'm not going to edit this myself, because I don't know the character/haven't read the issues, but the current tone of the whole section on the third Power Boy is a little... nutty? I'm not saying the earlier version was perfect - "deranged logic" was probably a little P.O.V. - but this is apologist to the extent of destroying the article's objective view point. Remember, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a place for you to explain that Power Boy hits you because he loves you (seriously, you just tripped and fell down the Kryptonite stairs). 24.1.192.121 (talk) 03:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
-Agreed. Is there anyone with those issues at hand that can fix this? It's seriously coming from Power Boy's perspective and attempting to justify his stalking and abuse. That's...disconcerting to say the least, and it's probably something that an encyclopedia would want to avoid doing. GoGrowlithe (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
this entire article is made by someone who hates the current Supergirl.. Powerboy was created not just as a Powergirl analog .. but as a nut who was oppressed with Supergirl.. this however makes it seem as he was the victim.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.189.27 (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Powerboy was created by Geoff Johns as a hero, that is a fact. Anyone who says otherwise has been mislead. He was created as an alien teen hero from Apokolips. Made a Teen Titan with Little Barda in 52 Week 21. Then he was brought over as a plot device in the Supergirl Identity Storyline to be her first boyfriend. He saved Supergirl & Outsider Grace at the end of Supergirl #11. Dated and was Supergirl's boyfriend from issues #13-15. He was never shown to be psycho or violent during the months they spent together, instead shown hugging her cat Streaky all the time. How a character with such a kind and gentle nature can be so mis-characterized online, saddens me. He's not some evil boy like Superman-Prime. He never killed any heroes or destroyed universes. So where the hate for the character comes from, I don't know. Read the issues he was in. See for yourself that he was a very harmless and at times clueless to the ways of humans misfit. Always shown trying to help protect Kara and done so against the League of Assassins that Dark Angel had sent to kill Kara. He was always shown to be a hero. Only being a teenager, and an alien one that knew little about humans or relating to others. He was shown making mistakes, or saying stupid things. But despite the child abuse he'd suffered at the hands of Darkseid. He was always shown trying to rise above all the abuse and adversities that fate had dealt him. Despite not having the support that Superboy or Supergirl has growing up. He rejected Darkseid and with Father Box escaped from his abusive past, and tried to be an Earth hero. From 2006, until the time he was brutally killed. The misunderstood boy saved allot of lives and helped as many people as he could. Yet all the good he done as a Teen Titan, and in all the months he helped Supergirl seems to be ignored. Instead looking at the out of character possession by Father Box in Supergirl #15. Not caring why it happened, or who suffered the most from what happened. He was left beaten, burned, homeless, and had his life with the girl he loved destroyed. He lost everything but his life. Then in Titans East Special he lost that, dying a very misunderstood boy. Whatever anyone says, he was a child abuse victim. And he suffered a great deal of child abuse from the time on Apokolips, til the moments up til his death. Hopefully the next version will be treated better, and not abused and used only as canon fodder to push more popular characters.209.209.140.21 (talk) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
-That being said, the article reads a lot more cleanly with all the excess biographical information excised. 24.1.192.121 (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Everything the character ever done was pretty much removed from the article. Nothing about what languages he speaks was left. That he had a pug dog named Kirby. Nothing about saving Supergirl and Outsider Grace's life in Supergirl #11. Or the fact he had a wooden staff ghosted threw his head, and left for dead on the Hollywood Sign in Supergirl #13. Only saying Father Box could teleport, when it was shown doing all kinds of things just like Mother Box's. And despite what the article currently says, he was the new Supergirl's first boyfriend. That's a pretty relevant thing, and shouldn't be called just a relationship. Also the power section is leaving out that he's an Empath, and that he could create a force field and giant energy hand. At least the part about him being killed in the Teen Titans East Special #1 is mentioned. But there was no dispute over what he done in 52 Week 21 or Titans East Special, so why was everything just deleted. Hours of research and work went into making the article better, then someone comes along and waters it down to almost nothing again. The only dispute seemed to be over the Supergirl appearances, which could be left totally neutral without deleting everything else. Some think he's bad because of what was shown but never explained in Supergirl #15. And some think his one time out of character behavior was due to Dark Angel taking over his Father Box and making both him and Supergirl act out of character. It was later confirmed that Dark Angel used his Father Box to send Kara to an alternate reality with a Red Sun. Yet either way, what happened in the comics should be mentioned in a neutral manner, and not just ignored. Somebody has already been very uncivil and disrespectful, deleting another users comment on this talk page. It's okay to disagree with others. But removing opinions you disagree with takes away freedom of speech, and violates Wikipedia's good faith policy.Powergirl (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I was the person who edited the post to what it is now and the reason why I did it is because I felt that most of the information was unnecessary. The page, at the length it was previously, rivaled that of comic book charactes that have had decades of history which I believe was unfair. The character was in very few issues and was created not too long ago and killed off. Power Boy may have been potentially been made to be nothing more than cannon fodder with history like that.
Wikipedia has made a precedence for having articles on comic book characters be a summary of their history and I believe that a character with a small history such as Power Boy doesn't deserve a massive article as that shows bias.Man On The Street (talk) 23:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I am saddened at someone saying a detailed article on any subject would show bias. It could do so, only if it told lies, or left out all the important character history, and I'd never intentionally do that on any article. So I'd hope all editors on Wikipedia would keep open minds and be respectful of those who think all comic character articles should be more than stubs. The name of this teen hero character has had several versions over the last fifty years. I know little about the first two, but more about the third. Yet, I'm not asking for a massive article. I was just asking for all versions of the character to have a reasonable fictional character history section, and an accurate Powers and abilities section that is up-to-date with all the powers each version of the character demonstrated in their comic appearances. That goes for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd versions of the character, and for every comic character on Wikipedia. Everyone that requests for someone to expand upon a fictional character history section, or add the most up-to-date info about fictional characters usually has someone informed on the subject respect their fellow Wiki and does so over time. That's all I'm asking. Not sure if one line on each comic appearance does that, but is always room for improvement on all articles. Like all articles, over time I'm sure others will expand and add to it.Powergirl (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Powerboy Omissions
The current article seems to be leaving out major details like him being Supergirl's first boyfriend, or that he saved Supergirl's life in Supergirl #11. Along with dozens of other things that was in my version, which needed to be edited down, but was far more accurate and better represented what happened in his comic appearances than the current version. Major omissions in an encyclopedia article on any subject is wrong, whether you like the subject or not. Try leaving off important info with any other character article that someone spent a great amount of time working on and see what happens. So it should at least have tiny sections on what he done in the Teen Titans, Supergirl, Teen Titans East, to go along with the Power section. I understand that too much info isn't needed, but leaving only four or five line on seven major appearances is disrespectful to the fellow Wiki that spent hours expanding the article trying to make it better and sharing their knowledge on the subject. Others wouldn't want someone coming along and deleting everything they done on a subject as if it didn't matter, just because someone thought it was too long or thought the character didn't deserve it. We're not supposed to have any personal opinion on the value or worth of a subject of an article. If we did, everyone would delete info on characters they hated, and all the comic characters would only have a few lines, instead of tons of info like most do. I think too much was removed, now are those at Wikipedia going to respect me as a fellow contributor to Wikipedia for several years, or just ignore my opinion. I just want an accurate article that summarizes what the character done in their major appearances and does so in a logical and rational way that takes all personal bias out of the decision making process. And for only those that have actually read all the comics with the character in it to edit the article, and not those with an negative or misleading view of the subject. Read the entire Supergirl Identity storyline, 52 Week 21, and Titans East Special knowing everything that happened, and how it all ended. That's the only way to have an accurate view of who the character really is. And blame the writer, not a fictional character for any bad plots or stories that was confusing or hard to understand. Good or bad, liked or hated, the subject deserves the truth written about it. I would expect the same level of respect for all comic articles on Wikipedia.Powergirl (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- I take offense to the idea to you implying that editors have some sort of vendetta against a fictional character. You also seem to be confusing "accurate" with plot summary and extreme detail. --William Graham talk 16:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- No offense is meant to anyone that has a differing point of view on this subject. Clearly it is more a difference of opinion on what should be in a comic book article on Wikipedia. And obviously a difference of opinion over what is plot summary and what is fictional character history. I wanted a more detailed fictional character history section, and some want a much smaller summary of what the character done in their appearances. I'm not asking for huge paragraphs on each section, just more than a few lines. I ask the same of all comic book characters, not just this article. Anyone that wants to expand upon a comic book character they are knowledgeable about should be free to do so. Like I said, it would be good to have more character history on the first and second versions. Due to not having much details written about them online, little is known about what they done in their appearances, and so are in need of expanding by someone informed on the subject. Yet I've raised my point of view on this subject and the subject of expanding comic character articles in general, and will leave it at that. I'm not editing the article. I'll leave it to others to edit and expand all the comic articles on Wikipedia as they see fit.209.209.140.21 (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Versions of Character
I'm wondering how many versions of the character their are? I heard a rumor about a Marvel Comics version, but think he was never published. But have clearly been various versions of the character around for over the past 50 years. This article is supposed to be about multiple versions of characters with the same name. That seems to be forgotten with the drama over the third version. Given the latest Teen Titans Go! issue #52 version where the H Dial was used by a teen to become a hero named Power Boy, no doubt more versions will be made over the next many decades. I sincerely believe that all the versions deserve more than a few lines. So anyone that knows more about the other versions, please add what you know. My knowledge of the original and second versions is limited, as is what happens in most other comics other than Supergirl. So I'll leave any edits on most versions to others. And far as the third version, which seems to draw more heat than any character I've seen in years. Try to remember he's a fictional alien. He's only an underage boy character. Growing up on the hellish Apokolips, and shown being tortured on panel in Supergirl #15, it's canon that he was a child abuse victim at the hands of Darkseid. He was a Teen Titan, saved Supergirl's life, was her first boyfriend, and died a hero on Cyborg's Titan's East team. Plots forced him and Kara to be written doing things no teen heroes would do, and not explaining why very well (manipulated by Dark Angel/Father Box), but that's the writers fault, not the characters. Like the boy or not, he was a 15 year abused alien character that made a major impact in a very short time. I'll let others decide what edits are appropriate for all versions of the character. I just ask everyone to look at the entire character's history, and try to be non-biased and respectful when editing this and all articles. And again respectfully ask before any major edits, please come to this page and discuss the changes first to avoid any further problems.Powergirl (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- As I indicated on your talk page, I don't understand why you are arguing for the fiction merits of a character as he exists in a fictional universe. It come off as unobjective. I can understand you may relate to a fictional character, but maybe it's time to take a step back. --William Graham talk 16:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Powerboy's Dog
The article is leaving off the fact the third Powerboy had a pug dog named Kirby. He had appearances in Supergirl vol 5 #14 & #15. I really like Kirby and think he deserves at least a line to let readers know he existed.Powergirl (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yet again, I would argue that something like that is on the cusp of being trivia. A pet isn't really central to the character. --William Graham talk 16:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Powers and abilities
The Power section is leaving off most of the characters powers. He's an empath, could create force fields, and a giant energy hand as seen in Supergirl vol 5 #14 & 15. Also I've seen it written elsewhere on Wikipedia that all New Gods are immortal. And that all New Gods are vulnerable to a substance called Radion. Its effects are toxic only in sustained amounts or after explosive exposure. Powergirl (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think it is sufficient to wikilink to the New Gods article and not speculate on things not featured in a published comic. --William Graham talk 16:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
