Talk:Pottuvil massacre

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is currently subject to editing restrictions, as laid out during a previous dispute resolution process. If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the guidelines laid out here. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it on this talk page first.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Pottuvil massacre article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Sri Lankan Civil War. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. You can discuss the project at its talk page.

	This page is within the scope of WikiProject Sri Lanka, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles on Sri Lanka on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the Project's quality scale. (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)

	This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Stub	This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the quality scale.
Additional information and associated task forces: This article is not currently associated with a task force. To tag it for one or more task forces, please add the task force codes from the template instructions to the template call.

Pottuvil massacre took place in the area controlled by the STF no encounter took place and no independent probe has been ordered by the Sri Lankan government.The references given specifically chosen from non Tamil Papers The morning leader,Sri Lanka Truth and WPS.Further the muslims including Hakeem do not trust Rajapakse.An independent probe is the need of the hour.Harlowraman 17:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Harlowraman, I have to revert your edit. Please take a look at the video first. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The video could of be pertained under torture, or under government perjury, two things the Sri Lankan armed forces have done before. However, The video does express what is the latest opinion or expression of the individual in question, and thus it is a reliable source for his opinion, as you have stated. I don't believe Harlowraman is argueing that the individual hasn't changed his opinion on the events, but rather than his opinion is false. Maybe you should read the wiki article False_Flag. --Sharz 23:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unchecked deletions

The following passages have been deleted immediately before my last edit. They have been commented as "removed uncited and biased statements", although they are cited. I am listing them here to avoid the impression that I am endorsing these deletions.

Text	Source	My comment
The Former Sri Lankan Minister and Sri Lanka Muslim Congress leader Rauff Hakeen who visited the area said the murders said the Sri Lankan STF was responsible as it took place in a area surrounded by several STF camps in an area declared safe by the Government.	themorningleader.lk	Actually he is quoted as saying "STF had to take responsibility in answering the queries of the Muslim population ..."
The Sri Lankan STF plans to file a case against Rauff Hakeem for raising questions against the STF and his security was scaled down.	lankatruth.com	not sure how reliable this source is. I'm always sceptical when some organization calls themselves "Truth"
The lone survivor also died due to the injuries on the 19 September 2006 raising questions whether the statement was voluntary or forced or was in a position to give a statement as he was in Sri Lankan army custody in the hospital.	worldproutassembly.org	page yields error message

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SebastianHelm (talk • contribs) 04:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

• comment It was me who deleted these in the first place . I have found out that, most of the sources were misquoted and used with the intention of assaulting the STF. When you carefully read the given sources and the wording of the article, the true intention of the "editor" becomes quite obvious. LTTE kills people every where, and most of the their massacres and suicide bombings occurred in the government controlled ares and while admitting the fact the its the duty of the government to protect its its citizens, it should be noted that this task is not an easy one..Same goes in this incident, while STF is bound to safeguard the law and order of eastern citizens, you cant blame them for "random killings" done by the LTTE. And though Mr Hakeem, expressed his disappointment of the failure of STF to protect Muslims in this case,to my konwledge He never accused them for the killings, definitely not according to the given citations.

And about forcing the survivor to give evidence is may be a "fact" came out of the editors own head due to his immense personal dislike of STF.. I have never heard of such allegation and the dead link obviously don't serve any good here. overall, people should realise that, it really takes balls to criticize LTTE in the east.Certainly Not many do it in publicly there.So,we must give credit to Muslim people for risking their own lives in condemning LTTE publicly. --Iwazaki 18:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add the Totally_disputed tag to this article to get someone to clean up/fix this article. It's evidence that the LTTE did it comes from two anti-rebel websites. On WP:SLR asian tribune is stated as anti-rebel and "Should not be used to establish notability ". Also satp is again another such anti-rebel site. The video could as well have been a forced by the army . I have tried to find a RS about this matter but no luck. So I will tag it TOTALLY_disputed and hope someone can fix it up with RS and take off the tag. Thanks Watchdogb 05:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Also the SLMC leader has blamed said that the police cleared the bodies faster then usual which arose suspision. I watched the video and from it I can see that the survivor said that the only he knows that they were LTTE was because they were talking in good tamil. I am sorry but isn't Karnua also tamil ? he has also been believed to be working in the government controlled areas. It is then possible that they could have also done this. The video is not proper evidence that the LTTE did this. This is an awful act no matter who it was and it would be best if we can find proper evidence. Thanks Watchdogb 06:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)